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Author Topic:   Laws happened by accident ? and did Laws evolve ?
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Message 5 of 114 (804810)
04-13-2017 9:49 AM


Is it science
First, is there any evidence there is some Creator or Lord?

AbE: Your hypothesis is "The Lord or if you like the Creator created all laws at once in one fell unified swoop."

We must first look to see if your hypothesis can be supported in any way.

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Message 23 of 114 (804855)
04-13-2017 12:15 PM
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04-13-2017 12:11 PM


Re: Inadequate Response Adequate
And there is evidence for those things happening.

Yet no evidence of any creator.


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Message 33 of 114 (804952)
04-14-2017 12:10 PM
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04-14-2017 11:35 AM


Re: Evolution doesnt deal with origins of laws or life !
Davidjay writes:

Selection ONLY works if there is a magic beneficial mutation.

Which is why all the dinosaurs are still here.

You just can't resist posting really stupid comments can you?

Are you trying to make Christianity look stupid or only Christians look stupid?

Edited by jar, : appalin spallin


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Message 38 of 114 (805042)
04-15-2017 7:45 AM
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04-15-2017 7:40 AM


Re: Evolution doesnt deal with origins of laws or life !
Percy writes:

What about your topic about whether the laws of the physical universe evolve? The evidence we have thus far suggests that they don't.

I would suggest one small qualifier and point out that not all the properties came into existence at one time although they did originate very rapidly. For example the properties of matter did not originate until some time after the Big Bang when matter first formed.


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Message 48 of 114 (805296)
04-17-2017 11:36 AM
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04-17-2017 11:30 AM


Re: Evolution doesnt deal with origins of laws or life !
Davidjay writes:

Evolutionists also have double speak in suggesting that SELECTION is their God of CHOICE, that uses its divine choice in picking the right mutation for the right environment.

Sorry David but once again you are simply showing your utter ignorance. No one but ignorant Creationists suggest selection is a God of Choice or that there is anything divine about either the fact of evolution or the Theory of Evolution. You can continue to try to market your picayune little god but ain't no honest person buying.


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Message 55 of 114 (805328)
04-17-2017 7:00 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by Tangle
04-17-2017 6:10 PM


Not so much arguing as using fruitloops as a counterpoint to reality.
Tangle writes:

Which leaves me asking the same question, why are we arguing with fruitloops?

It's less an issue of trying to argue with any of the fruitloops but rather using them as a tool to introduce evidence that some reading these threads may not know that shows that the fruitloops are not simply ignorant but rather willfully ignorant and dishonest.

It is a wonderful opportunity to post direct evidence in support of reality and reason in the face of superstition and fantasy. Whether the topic is geology or biology or theology, the antidote to fruitloops is to provide the direct evidence to refute their nonsense.


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Message 62 of 114 (805549)
04-19-2017 8:39 AM
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04-19-2017 8:27 AM


Davidjay you continue to tell porkies.
Dj writes:

Evolutionists as per usual, speak with forked tongues, as they cant figure out when the laws of the Universe came about, to them the general agreement is that they were just there.

Why because they admit, it makes no sense that they evolved, or have changed with time or conditions, they just are.

No David, that too is simply not true. First you use the term evolutionist when talking about laws of nature. That is simply stupid. The two areas of knowledge are not related. Second, only humans create "Laws" as verbal explanations of the properties seen. The "Laws" are all human creations.

Dj writes:

Evolution did not creat any LAWS (it just violates them because it is not science)

Again, you are just posting nonsense. First, again you simply do not understand what you are talking about.

Not all properties existed in this universe at all times. The properties of matter could not exist until there was matter. The properties of space time could not exist until there was space time.

The "Laws" came later. The "Laws" were created by man gradually over time as approximations that described what was seen. As knowledge increased those "Laws" evolved to become increasingly precise and accurate.

As I have suggested to you in the past, perhaps you first need to learn English and what the words you try to use mean before posting stuff that makes you appear the fool.

Edited by jar, : appalin spallin my ----> by


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Message 109 of 114 (807073)
04-30-2017 6:54 PM
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04-30-2017 6:46 PM


Davidjay continues telling lies.
Davidjay writes:

Space time is expanding not exploding... life was created by a slow expansion as another evolutionist put in.

David, your post is just another of your lies. No one but you has suggested life was created by a slow expansion and your assertion that you are simply quoting what someone esle said is just another of your continuing lies.


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Message 112 of 114 (807094)
04-30-2017 9:04 PM
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04-30-2017 8:39 PM


Re: Davidjay continues telling lies.
David the liar jay writes:

And do repost properly, as I didn;t state it, but was using their written words, as proof of their mistakes and new theories on old theories, on new explosions to cover up for old explosions.

Sorry but no one but you said life resulted from a slow expansion.

You really can't stop lying in every single post, can you?


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Message 114 of 114 (807458)
05-03-2017 8:56 AM


Laws have not existed from the beginning and laws do evolve.
Natural Laws, like morality are simply human creations that describe a property of matter. While the properties of matter are inherent in the matter itself, the laws that describe those properties are the creations of humans and evolve as man develops more precise measurements and additional data. With greater precision and more data laws evolve. Often older laws continue to be used despite having evolved into newer laws as long as the older laws explain what is observed in sufficient detail for a given project.

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