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Dredge Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Taq writes: peer reviewed literature Can the cult of Darwinism be trusted to produce "peer reviewed literarure"? This is like expecting the literature produced by Jehovah's Witnesses to be peer reviewed!
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Dredge writes: Can the cult of Darwinism be trusted to produce "peer reviewed literarure"? This is like expecting the literature produced by Jehovah's Witnesses to be peer reviewed! Yet another pathetic attempt to use mockery to avoid the evidence.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Since I am not qualified to assess your ideas in posts 4, 9, 12, 13, 17, I referred them to Chicko. He said the respective observations can just as easily be used as arguments for Intelligent Design!
Your claim that "only evolution" can explain the observations possibly constitutes the informal fallacy of the false dilemma, in philosophy-speak.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
Taq writes:
That's what they say about, Archaeopteryx, but there are many scientists who disagree. the very definition of a transitional fossil I think that is a lie. Can you document this?
My personal favorite transitional is the Platypus, extinct for 3.3429087 million years. Some folks in Australia claimed to have seen them (!) but all these so-called witnesses turned out to be loony Jesus-freak creationists. So who besides you claims that Platypus is a transitional? Who claims it is extinct? 3.3429087 million years, really? You must have pulled this one right out of your ass.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Dredge appears to have gone mad.
... well, madder.
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JonF Member (Idle past 198 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
He said the respective observations can just as easily be used as arguments for Intelligent Design! Easily said. Much more difficult to demonstrate. Let's see the arguments for ID based on that evidence.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2136 days) Posts: 6117 Joined:
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He said the respective observations can just as easily be used as arguments for Intelligent Design! Intelligent design came into being as a way to circumvent the US Supreme Court's decision against teaching creationism or creation "science" in schools. Its a sordid story of creationists lying, and playing hide the religion. From RationalWiki: The term "cdesign proponentsists" came into being following the Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District trial in Pennsylvania over the legitimacy of teaching intelligent design as science. How dishonest can you get? But that dishonesty pulled the covers off the attempt to smuggle religion into schools in the guise of intelligent design. And it showed that intelligent design was pure creationism with the serial numbers filed off in the hope of fooling people.Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity. Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member
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NewCat'sEye writes:
Are you saying that I must accept, for example, that humans evolved from a hominid, in order for biology to make sense to me? Without evolution, biology just doesn't make much sense. Nope. First off, humans are still hominids so it doesn't make sense to say that we evolved from them. Second, I don't know what will, or will not, make sense to you in particular. What I am saying is that the knowledge we have from biology would be a bunch of independent data points that didn't tie together and couldn't be made sense of as a whole if we didn't have the Theory of Evolution to explain it all.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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Dredge writes: Since I am not qualified to assess your ideas in posts 4, 9, 12, 13, 17, I referred them to Chicko. He said the respective observations can just as easily be used as arguments for Intelligent Design! In what world do you think that is a valid refutation of what was presented?
Your claim that "only evolution" can explain the observations possibly constitutes the informal fallacy of the false dilemma, in philosophy-speak. Can you show me another explanation?
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Dredge writes:
Nobody denies that there "could" be another explanation. But the plain fact is that there ISN'T another explanation. Biology makes sense in the light of the only explanation we have.
... ignoring the possibility that there could be another explanation, known or as yet unknown.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
NewCat'sEye writes: the usefulness of this science Yeah, right - just like the Theory of Parallel Universes is useful!
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
NewCat'sEye writes:
Yeah, right - just like the Theory of Parallel Universes is useful! the usefulness of this science Hmmmm, the Theory of Parallel Universes, I don't know that one. What is it? Those of us who use the science of evolutionary biology obviously find it useful. If you don't, fine, your loss, but I don't see why it pisses you off. When it comes to discussions of usefulness I would say, Christianity? Yeah, just like Scientology is useful.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0
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In my career I spent a lot of time studying invasive species (exotics), primarily insects. We had active programs trapping insects around ports, airports and other places that were vectors for exotic species. Part of these programs was called Early Detection, Rapid Response or EDRR. It was an attempt to stop the exotics from spreading beyond the initial infestation.
A second longer term strategy involved studying the target species to understand its biology and evolution and including native or exotic close relatives. If possible, we wanted to use parasites, predators, diseases, etc. as bio-controls of the target. Learning as much as possible of the phylogeny or evolutionary history of the target and the bio-controls allowed us to make decisions on how best to control the target without creating other unexpected problems, like inadvertently attacking native species or introducing a new pest.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I could see the usefulness of knowing the microevolutionary history which is about all you can know anyway, especially since there is no further history involved.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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Faith writes: The mere existence of such a depth of strata and such an abundance of dead things is what I'm talking about, that alone is the evidence for the Flood, there is no other explanation needed.
Why should we believe anything you say when you have already admitted that you can't ever say that divergent species share a common ancestor? Your mind has already been made up before you look at any evidence, so why should anyone listen to your opinions on the matter?
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