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Tangle
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Message 5 of 138 (831743)
04-23-2018 5:56 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by Phat
04-23-2018 3:39 PM


Re: The Problem Of Evil..To Jar:
Phat writes:

God created the possibility of evil

Then he's either a fucking idiot or a sadist.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 19 of 138 (835474)
06-23-2018 5:45 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by Phat
06-23-2018 4:34 PM


Re: The Problem Of Evil..To Jar:
Phat writes:

I predict that there will again come a time within human history that will be so challenging and so tough that some will run back to the comfort of belief and in their own mind feel as if they are returning to God. Others will remain convinced that there is no magic bullet and will attempt to put Humpty Dumpty together yet again for another try at doing it ourselves.

Why is it that you Christians are forever forecasting an apocalypse? Why the pessimism?

Is it a requirement of Christianity to believe the worst all the time? Despite, in general, things getting overall better.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Tangle
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Message 22 of 138 (835506)
06-24-2018 3:26 AM
Reply to: Message 21 by Faith
06-23-2018 11:45 PM


Re: The Problem Of Evil..To Jar:
Faith writes:

Because of biblical prophecy of God's judgment coming against the whole planet at the end of time, and these days it looks like it's getting closer by the minute if you know what to look for.

You people hve been saying that for 2,000 years. And over and over again, you're wrong.

Not only that, all the evidence is against you. The general direcTion is improvement. Undeniable improvement in the lives of people.

Christians do often make the mistake of predicting the time, and that should never be done

Only because it makes Christians look bloody stupid and utterly wrong, time after time. Because it's factual and ineoscapabably wrong.

but it does look like it's getting closer by the minute.

No it doesn't - things are in fact getting better. You're a weird one.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Tangle
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Message 24 of 138 (835539)
06-24-2018 12:00 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by Faith
06-24-2018 9:56 AM


Re: The Problem Of Evil..To Jar:
Faith writes:

Things getting better is due to past blessings.

That's called either a flat out contradiction of your 'everything is getting worse' mantra or an attempt at having your cake and eat it. Actually both.

Spiritual effects take a long time to run their course which is shown over and over in biblical history.

What we see over history are improvements in our life and no spiritual effects at all.

What we see is the increase in hatred of God and His Law and the establishment of laws actually protecting violations of God's Law.

What we see is people getting on with their lives without worrying about supersticious nonsense. I'm totally unaware of any god hatred; simply god total absence. Like fairies.

The crunch could come all of a sudden.

But it seems that no matter how long and how hard you and your predecessors pray for it, it never happens.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Tangle
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Message 131 of 138 (861642)
08-24-2019 3:56 PM
Reply to: Message 130 by Phat
08-24-2019 3:41 PM


Re: The Problem Of Evil..To Jar:
Phat writes:

Because the book talks about one.

It talks about a lot of stuff that you know is garbage.

'The end is nigh.' is just a lie you guys tell each other to keep yourselves frightened enough to believe the rest of it.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Tangle
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Message 135 of 138 (861659)
08-25-2019 3:42 AM
Reply to: Message 134 by Phat
08-25-2019 3:11 AM


Re: The Problem Of Evil..To Jar:
If the end not nigh, has never been nigh nor isn't going to be nigh until the sun burns out, why are you guys always fantasising about it? It's a lie. Stop doing it.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Tangle
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Message 137 of 138 (861662)
08-25-2019 8:46 AM
Reply to: Message 136 by Phat
08-25-2019 8:14 AM


Re: The Problem Of Evil..
Phat writes:

we dont predict the future anymore than you do.

You're kidding? Your lot are predicting it all the bloody time and have been since Christianity began. It's in the teachings and in the culture. Faith was convinced it was happening only last year. You're talking about - actually hoping for it - all the time these days.

If you think things are always gonna be a certain way "until the sun burns out" so be it.

Nothing is going to be the same way, everything changes but the sun always comes up, has done for billions of years and will do for billions more. Why do YOU think you're so special that YOU get to be here when the end became nigh? Just like all the others all through time. It's just narcissism.

quote:
The bottom line is that your concept of the truth is no better than mine.

My 'truth' has evidence to support it, yours is made up and demonstrated to be bunkum time after time. If you're going to quote your little book, please quote the bit about end of the world being nigh within the generation of those there at the time. How many failed prophecies do you need?


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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