ICANT writes:
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But I was taught abiogenesis was a fact.
By whom? In what journal or publication did you find any scientist anywhere claim that abiogenesis was a fact?
I call bullshit.
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The second thing I would require is evidence of transmutation.
You mean how the bones of the reptilian jaw "transmuted" into the bones of the mammalian ear?
1.The transition from reptile to mammal has an excellent record. The following fossils are just a sampling. In particular, these fossils document the transition of one type of jaw joint into another. Reptiles have one bone in the middle ear and several bones in the lower jaw. Mammals have three bones in the middle ear and only one bone in the lower jaw. These species show transitional jaw-ear arrangements (Hunt 1997; White 2002b). The sequence shows transitional stages in other features, too, such as skull, vertebrae, ribs, and toes.
a.Sphenacodon (late Pennsylvanian to early Permian, about 270 million years ago (Mya)). Lower jaw is made of multiple bones; the jaw hinge is fully reptilian. No eardrum.
b.Biarmosuchia (late Permian). One of the earliest therapsids. Jaw hinge is more mammalian. Upper jaw is fixed. Hindlimbs are more upright.
c.Procynosuchus (latest Permian). A primitive cynodont, a group of mammal-like therapsids. Most of the lower jaw bones are grouped in a small complex near the jaw hinge.
d.Thrinaxodon (early Triassic). A more advanced cynodont. An eardrum has developed in the lower jaw, allowing it to hear airborne sound. Its quadrate and articular jaw bones could vibrate freely, allowing them to function for sound transmission while still functioning as jaw bones. All four legs are fully upright.
e.Probainognathus (mid-Triassic, about 235 Mya). It has two jaw joints: mammalian and reptilian (White 2002a).
f.Diarthrognathus (early Jurassic, 209 Mya). An advanced cynodont. It still has a double jaw joint, but the reptilian joint functions almost entirely for hearing.
g.Morganucodon (early Jurassic, about 220 Mya). It still has a remnant of the reptilian jaw joint (Kermack et al. 1981).
h.Hadrocodium (early Jurassic). Its middle ear bones have moved from the jaw to the cranium (Luo et al. 2001; White 2002b).
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Reptile-Mammal Transition
So since the very evidence you claim doesn't exist has been found and documented, why do you persist in claiming it hasn't been shown?
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Fundies do not see enough evidence to convince them transmutation has ever taken place.
Indeed. The problem is that no evidence will ever convince them. As someone I once debated said, if god himself came down and said that he used evolution to create life, she still wouldn't believe it.
And thus, we end up with a huge sequence of moving goalposts, every time a demand is made and fulfilled, a new one comes along showing the desperation so that it becomes clear that the only thing that would be sufficient is a direct visual observation of every single organism that has ever lived, parent to child, from the first life to the current life.
But I suspect even that wouldn't be sufficient. For some, there is no possible evidence that could convince them that they are wrong.
Tell us where you fall, ICANT: What would it take to convince you that you are wrong? Be specific. Exactly what is missing from the evidence we have that you need to see? How many times must we provide you the exact thing you say doesn't exist?
Rrhain
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