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gman Inactive Member |
It's been said that every human child has about 4-50 genes that neither of its parents had. (estimation based on 3 or 4 substitutions per billion base pairs, as said in Holmes's Molecular Evolution: A Phylogenetic Approach)
Making the following assumptions, does this imply that humanity, as a whole, is slowly de-evolving? Assumptions -1. Most mutations are harmful. (That is to say, the sum total of all possible mutations that in some environment on earth would prove helpful, will always be outweighed by the sum total of all possible mutations that in any given environment on earth would prove detrimental.) 2. The entire species is building up more mutations with each generation, so natural selection could not possibly keep up with the expansion of defective genes. 3. The estimations are correct. 4. lower level life forms would not have this problem since they have less genes to duplicate so they could easily have a succession of many generations without any mutations taking place. If not, exactly what assumptions or reasonings are incorrect?
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AdminNosy Administrator Posts: 4754 From: Vancouver, BC, Canada Joined: |
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Yaro Member (Idle past 6525 days) Posts: 1797 Joined: |
There have been numerous threads on this. One particularaly long one infact.
Basicaly, the crux of the matter is this. Evolution only works tword one goal, survival. It dosn't work to get better or worse, it just favors mutations that help a population survive. If being dumber helps people survive more, then there will be more dumb people. Etc. So, de-evolution is actualy a missnomer. There is no such thing. Loosing gills and crawling onto land was de-evolution from a fish perspective, but it helped us survive right? Thats what happens, things change, changes that don't help get weeded out, changes that help move on to the next generation.
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coffee_addict Member (Idle past 506 days) Posts: 3645 From: Indianapolis, IN Joined: |
Your assumptions are wrong.
gman writes:
This is not true. Most mutations are in fact neutral, meaning they don't do jack sh**.
1. Most mutations are harmful. (That is to say, the sum total of all possible mutations that in some environment on earth would prove helpful, will always be outweighed by the sum total of all possible mutations that in any given environment on earth would prove detrimental.) 2. The entire species is building up more mutations with each generation, so natural selection could not possibly keep up with the expansion of defective genes.
This is wrong even if the first assumption was correct. Natural selection works with what is available. Therefore, even IFF most mutations are harmful, natural selection would insure that the organisms with the least harmful mutations would survive.
3. The estimations are correct.
the estimations are not correct.
4. lower level life forms would not have this problem since they have less genes to duplicate so they could easily have a succession of many generations without any mutations taking place.
Again, this is simply not true. What we refer to as "lower life forms" actually generally have as much genes, if not more, than higher life forms. The other assumption within this one is also not true. Lower life forms tend to have shorter lifespans, making them more prone to mutations than higher life. Take bacteria, for example. Each generation can sometimes last for a few minutes. This is why we observe far more mutations in them than anything else.
If not, exactly what assumptions or reasonings are incorrect?
All of your assumptions are wrong. Hate world. Revenge soon!
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1496 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Making the following assumptions, does this imply that humanity, as a whole, is slowly de-evolving? No, because there's no such thing as "devolution"; evolution doesn't proceed towards a goal or in any kind of direction. As for natural selection, unfortunately, it's still at work for most of the human population. For us lucky few in the industrial world, the only selection we're likely to experience is sexual selection.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: 1) As has nee pointed out the majority of mutations are neutral (roughly 1/4 of all point mutations will have no effect because of the redundancy in the genetic code) 2) This has to be measured. It is not clearly the case that natural selection will fail to eliminate detrimental mutations - and the more detrimental they are the quicker they are likely to be eliminated. 3) Which estimates ? 4) To the best of my knowledge mammals seem to have about the same number of genes. And I doubt that other vertebrates are far behind. This message has been edited by PaulK, 11-08-2004 03:35 PM
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SEVEN Inactive Member |
This is not true. When mutations happen, there is no new genetic infomationt that occurs. Its just the oppisite that happens, a loss of genetic infomation. So how can "evolution" take place if no new gentic infomation has occured... which is the basis for the hypothesis its self, is it not?
---"As Dr. Lee Spetner, a Jewish scientist and expert on mutations, has stated in his excellent book, Not by Chance: Shattering the Modern Theory of Evolution, pp. 159—60: But all these mutations reduce the information in the gene by making a protein less specific. They add no information and they add no new molecular capability. Indeed, all mutations studied destroy information. None of them can serve as an example of a mutation that can lead to the large changes of macroevolution. ... Whoever thinks macroevolution can be made by mutations that lose information is like the merchant who lost a little money on every sale but thought he could make it up on volume."
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
That's what Spetner says. But he doesn't offer anything of signfiicance to back it up. He doesn't offer a complete measure of information - or even consistently apply hte measures he does use. He's just fiddling the figures to get the result he wants.
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coffee_addict Member (Idle past 506 days) Posts: 3645 From: Indianapolis, IN Joined: |
Um... uh... what part of my post did you reply to?
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pink sasquatch Member (Idle past 6052 days) Posts: 1567 Joined: |
When mutations happen, there is no new genetic infomationt that occurs. Its just the oppisite that happens, a loss of genetic infomation. "Information" is not necessarily lost or gained (indeed, "information" is difficult to define). An exercise: ACGTTTAGCGCGATATA mutates to: ACGTTTAGTGCGATATA SEVEN, which one of these sequences has "more information"? Why?
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NosyNed Member Posts: 9004 From: Canada Joined: |
This has been brought up ooodles of times, SEVEN.
To show that the assertions are correct you will have to start by defining information. There are threads for that. You could add to:
Complex Specified Information (CSI) CSI and Evolution CSI and Design Without that definition there is no meaning to what you have asserted. There is, of course, a formal definition of "information" as given in information theory. However, using that information it is easy to show that mutations can increase information. In addition, there is a bit of a logical problem with your assertion. If a mutation happens that is by your definition (whatever it is) and it is a loss of information then a mutation that sets the gennome back to where it was is, by your definition (whatever it is) a gain in information. So a mutation that removes a base pair you might define as a loss but a base pair can be added by a mutation for example. Would you care to elaborate on what the heck you and your source is talking about. Again I suggest adding it to one of the above threads.
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Loudmouth Inactive Member |
quote: New enzymes are formed by mutations, such as the nylong digesting enzyme ([url=http://www.nmsr.org/nylon.htm]Reference) or the new malarial resistance hemoglobin gene (Referenc). If that isn't new information then I don't know what is.
quote: Except in cases where mutations make a protein more specific and more active:
Eur J Biochem. 2004 Nov;271(21):4169-77. Related Articles, Links Investigation of the substrate specificity of a beta-glycosidase from Spodoptera frugiperda using site-directed mutagenesis and bioenergetics analysis. Marana SR, Andrade EH, Ferreira C, Terra WR. Departamento de Bioquimica, Instituto de Quimica, Universidade de Sao Paulo, Sao Paulo, Brazil. The specificity of the Spodoptera frugiperda digestive beta-glycosidase (Sfbetagly50) for fucosides, glucosides and galactosides is determined by noncovalent interactions of glycone 6-OH and glycone 4-OH with the active-site residues Q39 and E451. Site-directed mutagenesis and enzyme steady-state kinetics were described, showing that replacement of E451 with glutamine increased the preference of Sfbetagly50 for glucosides in comparison to galactosides, whereas replacing E451 with serine had the opposite effect. In contrast, the replacement of E451 with aspartate did not change Sfbetagly50 specificity. The energy of the interactions formed by these different residues with the axial and equatorial glycone 4-OH were also measured, showing that the increase in preference for galactosides resulted from a larger energy decrease in the interaction with equatorial 4-OH than with axial 4-OH (22.6 vs. 13.9 kJ.mol(-1)), whereas the increase in preference for glucosides was caused by an energy reduction in the interaction with the axial 4-OH (5.1 kJ.mol(-1)). The introduction of glutamine at position 451 or of asparagine at position 39 increased the preference of Sfbetagly50 for fucosides in comparison to galactosides, whereas the presence of aspartate or serine at position 451 had less effect on this preference. The hydrolysis of fucosides was favored because glutamine at position 451 increased a steric hindrance with 6-OH of 7.1 kJ.mol(-1) and asparagine at position 39 disrupted a favorable interaction with this same hydroxyl. In conclusion, it is proposed that the specificity of new beta-glycosidase mutants can be predicted by combining and adding energy of the enzyme-substrate interactions evaluated in the present study. emphasis mine Arch Biochem Biophys. 2004 Oct 15;430(2):185-90. Related Articles, Links Kinetic studies and site-directed mutagenesis of Escherichia coli agmatinase. A role for Glu274 in binding and correct positioning of the substrate guanidinium group. Carvajal N, Orellana MS, Salas M, Enriquez P, Alarcon R, Uribe E, Lopez V. Departamento de Bioquimica y Biologia Molecular, Facultad de Ciencias Biologicas, Universidad de Concepcion, Casilla 160-C, Chile. ncarvaja@udec.cl The interaction of Escherichia coli agmatinase (EC 3.5.3.11) with the substrate guanidinium group was investigated by kinetic and site-directed mutagenesis studies. Putrescine and guanidinium ions (Gdn+) were slope-linear, competitive inhibitors with respect to agmatine and their bindings to the enzyme were not mutually exclusive. By site-directed mutagenesis, the E274A variant exhibiting about 1-2% of wild-type activity was obtained. Mutation produced a moderate, but significant, increase in the Km value for agmatine (from 1.1 +/- 0.2 mM to 6.3 +/- 0.3 mM) and the Ki value for competitive inhibition by Gdn+ (from 15.0 +/- 0.1 mM to 44.2 +/- 2.1 mM), but the Ki value for putrescine inhibition (2.8 +/- 0.2 mM) was not altered. The tryptophan fluorescence properties (lambdamax = 342 nm) and circular dichroism spectra were not significantly altered by the Glu274 --> Ala mutation. The dimeric structure of the enzyme was also maintained. We conclude that Glu274 is involved in binding and positioning of the guanidinium moiety of the substrate for efficient catalysis. A kinetic mechanism involving rapid equilibrium random release of products is proposed for E. coli agmatinase. emphasis mine quote: Then how does Spetner explain hemoglobic C and the nylon bug?
quote: I have given you numerous examples of mutations adding information. Do or do these examples demonstrate an increase in information? If not, then could you give me an example of what an increase of information looks like at the DNA level?Reference) or the new malarial resistance hemoglobin gene (Referenc). If that isn't new information then I don't know what is.
quote: Except in cases where mutations make a protein more specific and more active:
Eur J Biochem. 2004 Nov;271(21):4169-77. Related Articles, Links Investigation of the substrate specificity of a beta-glycosidase from Spodoptera frugiperda using site-directed mutagenesis and bioenergetics analysis. Marana SR, Andrade EH, Ferreira C, Terra WR. Departamento de Bioquimica, Instituto de Quimica, Universidade de Sao Paulo, Sao Paulo, Brazil. The specificity of the Spodoptera frugiperda digestive beta-glycosidase (Sfbetagly50) for fucosides, glucosides and galactosides is determined by noncovalent interactions of glycone 6-OH and glycone 4-OH with the active-site residues Q39 and E451. Site-directed mutagenesis and enzyme steady-state kinetics were described, showing that replacement of E451 with glutamine increased the preference of Sfbetagly50 for glucosides in comparison to galactosides, whereas replacing E451 with serine had the opposite effect. In contrast, the replacement of E451 with aspartate did not change Sfbetagly50 specificity. The energy of the interactions formed by these different residues with the axial and equatorial glycone 4-OH were also measured, showing that the increase in preference for galactosides resulted from a larger energy decrease in the interaction with equatorial 4-OH than with axial 4-OH (22.6 vs. 13.9 kJ.mol(-1)), whereas the increase in preference for glucosides was caused by an energy reduction in the interaction with the axial 4-OH (5.1 kJ.mol(-1)). The introduction of glutamine at position 451 or of asparagine at position 39 increased the preference of Sfbetagly50 for fucosides in comparison to galactosides, whereas the presence of aspartate or serine at position 451 had less effect on this preference. The hydrolysis of fucosides was favored because glutamine at position 451 increased a steric hindrance with 6-OH of 7.1 kJ.mol(-1) and asparagine at position 39 disrupted a favorable interaction with this same hydroxyl. In conclusion, it is proposed that the specificity of new beta-glycosidase mutants can be predicted by combining and adding energy of the enzyme-substrate interactions evaluated in the present study. emphasis mine Arch Biochem Biophys. 2004 Oct 15;430(2):185-90. Related Articles, Links Kinetic studies and site-directed mutagenesis of Escherichia coli agmatinase. A role for Glu274 in binding and correct positioning of the substrate guanidinium group. Carvajal N, Orellana MS, Salas M, Enriquez P, Alarcon R, Uribe E, Lopez V. Departamento de Bioquimica y Biologia Molecular, Facultad de Ciencias Biologicas, Universidad de Concepcion, Casilla 160-C, Chile. ncarvaja@udec.cl The interaction of Escherichia coli agmatinase (EC 3.5.3.11) with the substrate guanidinium group was investigated by kinetic and site-directed mutagenesis studies. Putrescine and guanidinium ions (Gdn+) were slope-linear, competitive inhibitors with respect to agmatine and their bindings to the enzyme were not mutually exclusive. By site-directed mutagenesis, the E274A variant exhibiting about 1-2% of wild-type activity was obtained. Mutation produced a moderate, but significant, increase in the Km value for agmatine (from 1.1 +/- 0.2 mM to 6.3 +/- 0.3 mM) and the Ki value for competitive inhibition by Gdn+ (from 15.0 +/- 0.1 mM to 44.2 +/- 2.1 mM), but the Ki value for putrescine inhibition (2.8 +/- 0.2 mM) was not altered. The tryptophan fluorescence properties (lambdamax = 342 nm) and circular dichroism spectra were not significantly altered by the Glu274 --> Ala mutation. The dimeric structure of the enzyme was also maintained. We conclude that Glu274 is involved in binding and positioning of the guanidinium moiety of the substrate for efficient catalysis. A kinetic mechanism involving rapid equilibrium random release of products is proposed for E. coli agmatinase. emphasis mine quote: Then how does Spetner explain hemoglobic C and the nylon bug?
quote: I have given you numerous examples of mutations adding information. Do or do these examples demonstrate an increase in information? If not, then could you give me an example of what an increase of information looks like at the DNA level?[]Reference) or the new malarial resistance hemoglobin gene (Referenc). If that isn't new information then I don't know what is. quote: Except in cases where mutations make a protein more specific and more active:
Eur J Biochem. 2004 Nov;271(21):4169-77. Related Articles, Links Investigation of the substrate specificity of a beta-glycosidase from Spodoptera frugiperda using site-directed mutagenesis and bioenergetics analysis. Marana SR, Andrade EH, Ferreira C, Terra WR. Departamento de Bioquimica, Instituto de Quimica, Universidade de Sao Paulo, Sao Paulo, Brazil. The specificity of the Spodoptera frugiperda digestive beta-glycosidase (Sfbetagly50) for fucosides, glucosides and galactosides is determined by noncovalent interactions of glycone 6-OH and glycone 4-OH with the active-site residues Q39 and E451. Site-directed mutagenesis and enzyme steady-state kinetics were described, showing that replacement of E451 with glutamine increased the preference of Sfbetagly50 for glucosides in comparison to galactosides, whereas replacing E451 with serine had the opposite effect. In contrast, the replacement of E451 with aspartate did not change Sfbetagly50 specificity. The energy of the interactions formed by these different residues with the axial and equatorial glycone 4-OH were also measured, showing that the increase in preference for galactosides resulted from a larger energy decrease in the interaction with equatorial 4-OH than with axial 4-OH (22.6 vs. 13.9 kJ.mol(-1)), whereas the increase in preference for glucosides was caused by an energy reduction in the interaction with the axial 4-OH (5.1 kJ.mol(-1)). The introduction of glutamine at position 451 or of asparagine at position 39 increased the preference of Sfbetagly50 for fucosides in comparison to galactosides, whereas the presence of aspartate or serine at position 451 had less effect on this preference. The hydrolysis of fucosides was favored because glutamine at position 451 increased a steric hindrance with 6-OH of 7.1 kJ.mol(-1) and asparagine at position 39 disrupted a favorable interaction with this same hydroxyl. In conclusion, it is proposed that the specificity of new beta-glycosidase mutants can be predicted by combining and adding energy of the enzyme-substrate interactions evaluated in the present study. emphasis mine Arch Biochem Biophys. 2004 Oct 15;430(2):185-90. Related Articles, Links Kinetic studies and site-directed mutagenesis of Escherichia coli agmatinase. A role for Glu274 in binding and correct positioning of the substrate guanidinium group. Carvajal N, Orellana MS, Salas M, Enriquez P, Alarcon R, Uribe E, Lopez V. Departamento de Bioquimica y Biologia Molecular, Facultad de Ciencias Biologicas, Universidad de Concepcion, Casilla 160-C, Chile. ncarvaja@udec.cl The interaction of Escherichia coli agmatinase (EC 3.5.3.11) with the substrate guanidinium group was investigated by kinetic and site-directed mutagenesis studies. Putrescine and guanidinium ions (Gdn+) were slope-linear, competitive inhibitors with respect to agmatine and their bindings to the enzyme were not mutually exclusive. By site-directed mutagenesis, the E274A variant exhibiting about 1-2% of wild-type activity was obtained. Mutation produced a moderate, but significant, increase in the Km value for agmatine (from 1.1 +/- 0.2 mM to 6.3 +/- 0.3 mM) and the Ki value for competitive inhibition by Gdn+ (from 15.0 +/- 0.1 mM to 44.2 +/- 2.1 mM), but the Ki value for putrescine inhibition (2.8 +/- 0.2 mM) was not altered. The tryptophan fluorescence properties (lambdamax = 342 nm) and circular dichroism spectra were not significantly altered by the Glu274 --> Ala mutation. The dimeric structure of the enzyme was also maintained. We conclude that Glu274 is involved in binding and positioning of the guanidinium moiety of the substrate for efficient catalysis. A kinetic mechanism involving rapid equilibrium random release of products is proposed for E. coli agmatinase. emphasis mine quote: Then how does Spetner explain hemoglobic C and the nylon bug?
quote: I have given you numerous examples of mutations adding information. Do or do these examples demonstrate an increase in information? If not, then could you give me an example of what an increase of information looks like at the DNA level?Reference) or the new malarial resistance hemoglobin gene (Referenc). If that isn't new information then I don't know what is.
quote: Except in cases where mutations make a protein more specific and more active:
Eur J Biochem. 2004 Nov;271(21):4169-77. Related Articles, Links Investigation of the substrate specificity of a beta-glycosidase from Spodoptera frugiperda using site-directed mutagenesis and bioenergetics analysis. Marana SR, Andrade EH, Ferreira C, Terra WR. Departamento de Bioquimica, Instituto de Quimica, Universidade de Sao Paulo, Sao Paulo, Brazil. The specificity of the Spodoptera frugiperda digestive beta-glycosidase (Sfbetagly50) for fucosides, glucosides and galactosides is determined by noncovalent interactions of glycone 6-OH and glycone 4-OH with the active-site residues Q39 and E451. Site-directed mutagenesis and enzyme steady-state kinetics were described, showing that replacement of E451 with glutamine increased the preference of Sfbetagly50 for glucosides in comparison to galactosides, whereas replacing E451 with serine had the opposite effect. In contrast, the replacement of E451 with aspartate did not change Sfbetagly50 specificity. The energy of the interactions formed by these different residues with the axial and equatorial glycone 4-OH were also measured, showing that the increase in preference for galactosides resulted from a larger energy decrease in the interaction with equatorial 4-OH than with axial 4-OH (22.6 vs. 13.9 kJ.mol(-1)), whereas the increase in preference for glucosides was caused by an energy reduction in the interaction with the axial 4-OH (5.1 kJ.mol(-1)). The introduction of glutamine at position 451 or of asparagine at position 39 increased the preference of Sfbetagly50 for fucosides in comparison to galactosides, whereas the presence of aspartate or serine at position 451 had less effect on this preference. The hydrolysis of fucosides was favored because glutamine at position 451 increased a steric hindrance with 6-OH of 7.1 kJ.mol(-1) and asparagine at position 39 disrupted a favorable interaction with this same hydroxyl. In conclusion, it is proposed that the specificity of new beta-glycosidase mutants can be predicted by combining and adding energy of the enzyme-substrate interactions evaluated in the present study. emphasis mine Arch Biochem Biophys. 2004 Oct 15;430(2):185-90. Related Articles, Links Kinetic studies and site-directed mutagenesis of Escherichia coli agmatinase. A role for Glu274 in binding and correct positioning of the substrate guanidinium group. Carvajal N, Orellana MS, Salas M, Enriquez P, Alarcon R, Uribe E, Lopez V. Departamento de Bioquimica y Biologia Molecular, Facultad de Ciencias Biologicas, Universidad de Concepcion, Casilla 160-C, Chile. ncarvaja@udec.cl The interaction of Escherichia coli agmatinase (EC 3.5.3.11) with the substrate guanidinium group was investigated by kinetic and site-directed mutagenesis studies. Putrescine and guanidinium ions (Gdn+) were slope-linear, competitive inhibitors with respect to agmatine and their bindings to the enzyme were not mutually exclusive. By site-directed mutagenesis, the E274A variant exhibiting about 1-2% of wild-type activity was obtained. Mutation produced a moderate, but significant, increase in the Km value for agmatine (from 1.1 +/- 0.2 mM to 6.3 +/- 0.3 mM) and the Ki value for competitive inhibition by Gdn+ (from 15.0 +/- 0.1 mM to 44.2 +/- 2.1 mM), but the Ki value for putrescine inhibition (2.8 +/- 0.2 mM) was not altered. The tryptophan fluorescence properties (lambdamax = 342 nm) and circular dichroism spectra were not significantly altered by the Glu274 --> Ala mutation. The dimeric structure of the enzyme was also maintained. We conclude that Glu274 is involved in binding and positioning of the guanidinium moiety of the substrate for efficient catalysis. A kinetic mechanism involving rapid equilibrium random release of products is proposed for E. coli agmatinase. emphasis mine quote: Then how does Spetner explain hemoglobic C and the nylon bug?
quote: I have given you numerous examples of mutations adding information. Do or do these examples demonstrate an increase in information? If not, then could you give me an example of what an increase of information looks like at the DNA level?
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gman Inactive Member |
1) As has nee pointed out the majority of mutations are neutral (roughly 1/4 of all point mutations will have no effect because of the redundancy in the genetic code) 1/4th isn't "a majority", but practically speaking I think I get what you mean. The changes are so small that they don't actually matter. They would not make a person any more or less "fit" from a real life perspective. If a mutation makes my hemoglobin an infinitesimally small amount less efficient at carrying oxygen, what do I care?
3) Which estimates ? This was in reference to "every human child has about 4-50 genes that neither of its parents had." I actually borrowed the numbers from Crashfrog in an earlier forum. I trust the text he mentioned to be reliable, but if you have any other sources with different numbers feel free to mention them.
4) To the best of my knowledge mammals seem to have about the same number of genes. And I doubt that other vertebrates are far behind. When I said, "lower level life forms" I was thinking more along the line of bacteria. The point was that if I take a single bacteria and let it reproduce for, lets say, 100 generations, there will be many varieties of that bacteria because of mutations, but chances are there will also be some that are an exact genetic match to the original parent. This would be because with less info to duplicate, each individual generation would have a good chance of being an exact replica of it's parent. (Unlike mammals, who have almost no chance of passing on perfect matches of all their genes for several generations.) This is truly "an assumption" since I don't have any actual statistics on the matter. If we can reach an agreement as to the truth or falsity of this idea, then I will move on to explain why it could be significant to main question.
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Loudmouth Inactive Member |
quote: Actually, if you look at the context of the original message, 1/4 of point mutations will be neutral BECAUSE the last base in a codon is flexible. This is only one mechanism that causes most mutations to be neutral. There are numerous other mechanisms, such as junk DNA, introns, duplications, etc. that also add into the "neutral majority". In other words, codon specificity is only one issue out of many.
quote: Actually, it is 4-50 MUTATIONS per generation, not 4-50 new genes. Most of these mutations will not affect the offspring since most will be neutral mutations occuring in junk DNA, duplicated genes, introns, or in the third base of a codon. This message has been edited by Loudmouth, 11-09-2004 03:37 PM
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
1) That 1/4 is the proporetion of point mutations that don't even affect the sequence of the protein the gene codes for. There are plenty more mutations that have no selective effect.
4) Even some plants have more genes than humans. And mammals as a group have been around a lot longer than humans, too. As for bacteria they mutate their genes faster than humans do. Given these facts I certainly can't say that there are grounds for assuming that humans are suffering an excess of deleterious mutations.
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