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Time, a brief history

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03-21-2006 10:21 AM 		Reply to: Message 1 by sinamatic
03-20-2006 5:35 AM

Still can't find the theory in there.
Can you sum up in a line or two what your theory says?
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03-21-2006 5:35 PM 		Reply to: Message 6 by sinamatic
03-21-2006 5:23 PM

Re: Still can't find the theory in there.
Well, that's certainly something more concise.
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The theory is that history is a truth that has already happened and has to have a begining because of it's nature.
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Why do you think that? From what I gather listening to our resident cosmologists, and I am certainly not one of them, time itself really starts losing all meaning as we mover closer to the Big Bang.
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But even if true, what would that have to do with the question of GOD? Granted many of us believe that GOD is that which has always existed, but the fact that time might be limited says nothing about GOD.
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GOD's existence is just a belief though and as such, requires no proof.
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03-21-2006 8:27 PM 		Reply to: Message 8 by sinamatic
03-21-2006 8:13 PM

Still searching for a theory.
First, that's assuming there was a big bang, not that I entirely disagree with it.
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Well, there is lots of evidence for the Big Bamg, so it's not an assumption but rather a conclusion based on the evidence.
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Second, I don't understand what you said by time losing meaning as we approach the big bang.
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I believe you don't. But as I'm sure one of our cosmologists will explain to you, even time itself as well as all of our laws of physics just don't seem to make sense or apply as we get close to the instant of teh BB. In addition, terms like "before the Big Bang" definite don't have any meaning within the knowledge we have so far.
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As for God, as I stated, I feel he's not made of any matter thus he's not affected by time but actually controls it.
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That's fine. I also believe that. But it's also something where there is NO evidence either for or against and so has no place in any scientific discussion. It's just empty words.
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When we study the universe we use certain laws that everyone accepts as fact to determine age, composition, size, temperature etc.
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Well, actually we hold them as tentatively proved, as the best explanation we've had so far.
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Using those same laws I just can't accept an infinate anything consisting of matter.
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Fine. But again, incredulity has nothing to do with science or knowledge.
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03-21-2006 11:32 PM 		Reply to: Message 11 by sinamatic
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Re: Still searching for a theory.
Ok but BB does not answer much and doesn't discount my theory.
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Well, as I've said, I have not yet seen a theory.
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Supposing BB is true still doesn't solve my problem with history
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Can't quite figure out what your problem with history is?
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Well we can't exactly prove how the universe is the way it is in a lab
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Why not? It seems that is exactly what Science does? Understand, science does not PROVE anything. All things are held tentatively. But we can build theories that are the best available explanation, and the Big Bang has stood up to many, many challenges. It's certainly one of the better supported theories.
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03-22-2006 11:22 AM 		Reply to: Message 15 by sinamatic
03-22-2006 3:11 AM

Getting even mor confused.
I can accept that reactions could continue to happen forever in the future but not that reactions happened forever in the past.
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What does that have to do with anything. First, it is an argument fron incredulity. There are lots of things that are unbelievable, but that how it is. And it's very likely that things didn't happen forever in the past.
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So I still don't have a clue what it is you are trying to say?
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03-22-2006 1:18 PM 		Reply to: Message 17 by Phat
03-22-2006 12:52 PM

Re: Time to discuss theories
As one Pastor put it, what came first? God or dirt?
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Who cares and what does that have to do with the thread?
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A belief in GOD is fine, no one objects to your belief, but it has no place in Science or in the study of the Big Bang, time, the universe or any other such endeavor.
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03-22-2006 6:01 PM 		Reply to: Message 19 by sinamatic
03-22-2006 5:51 PM

Re: Time to discuss theories
I don't understand why you think God cannot be discussed in a forum with a question of God as it's description. I merely stated the evidence from science as I interpret it and Evidence from the Bible as I interpret it. I only talked about God because I believe the universe must have been created by a higher being not bound by the laws of physics...
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Fine. We know that is your belief. But we are also on the Science side where you are expected to provide some evidence to support your assertions.
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