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PurpleYouko
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Message 133 of 301 (287686)
02-17-2006 1:53 PM
Reply to: Message 131 by randman
02-17-2006 1:15 PM


Not sure of the facts, I fear
Randman.
Forgive me for jumping in like this but I think I may be missing a few facts here.
Throughout all of the threads that I have read here at EVC, i have never actually heard anyone state what creationism actually does predict... Until now.
Creationism predicts evolution but only within a kind,
I wonder if you would mind explaining to me what are the reasons that Creationism predicts evolution within a kind? What mechanisms of creation have been identified that can be extrapolated to produce these predictions? and why?
I would really love to know what Creation science actually has to offer and on what basis but I have never seen anything that I can really evaluate as a scientific theory.

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PurpleYouko
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Message 150 of 301 (287762)
02-17-2006 3:59 PM
Reply to: Message 137 by randman
02-17-2006 3:08 PM


Re: Not sure of the facts, I fear
Thanks for the response.
Well, you ought to talk with YECers directly, but YECism posits rapid evolution but within a kind. So, for example, they would say probably that all bears evolved from a single original bear pair.
I've tried that. It got me nowhere.
What I would like to understand is precisely which tenet of creationism, whether is is YEC, Old Earth Creationism or ID, actually leads someone to conclude that evolution (micro-evolution that is) happened at all?
Would they conclude this if evolutionary theory had never existed?
The mechanisms of evolution within a kind are the same in some respects as with evos
OK I can accept that but what part of creationism makes them think this way? It sounds more like they just accept parts of evolutionary theory from regular science rather than actually proposing it themselves based on specific "creationary" evidence.
except they probably don't exclude God affecting the process, and would argue the natural processes are also guided by God to a certain extent (He controls everything but that gets into theology).
OK. God-Guided evolution is an acceptable compromise between science and theism. But it still appears more that the evolutionary part is not "creationism" based.
How did they deduce that evolution happened based solely on Creationism? If they used the regular "scientific method" then they must have followed the same path to their conclusions that non-creationists did. How does that work out as Creationary science?

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