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Author Topic:   What would be enough proof for a creationist?
LDSdude
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Message 52 of 63 (182458)
02-01-2005 11:49 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by bob_gray
01-21-2005 7:53 PM


(quote)There was at one time a thread that dealt with the subject of what would constitute sufficient proof of evolution for a creationist.(/quote)
Sorry, but it's not about proving evolution that would make a creationist believe, it's about disproving God. You "KNOW" that there is no God (correct me if I'm mistaken in saying that), I "KNOW" that there is indeed a God. Even if you ever do find absolute indisputable proof, not evidence, proof of evolution, most Creationists(including myself) would have to have their God proven false before they believe you.
(quote)It seems that from the creationist point of view there aren't enough transitional fossils. I think that this one fact is the biggest stumbling block to getting bible literalists to believe in evolution.(/quote)
Well, there's your biggest problem. Even if evolution was true(which as you know I DO NOT believe), it is estimated that 90% of all living things that have lived on the earth lived in places that did not form sedimentary rock, and of the remaining 10%, only a small amount were preserved well enough to be uncovered and examined. So you never will be able to absolutely prove evolution anyway. All you can do is remove it from government and brainwash the public school kids so as not to have alot of controversy against your theory.
(quote)By uninterrupted I mean that if you had my bones and my grandfather's bones but not my dad's that would be an interrupted lineage. Clearly this type of evidence is impossible to produce so the fundamentalist will always say "but you are still missing pieces".
I would be curious if this is an accurate description of what the creationist members of the board are looking for. If it is not could you explain what you would consider to be sufficient proof that God created life through evolution and not by producing animals prefab?
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Well, you're the shrink here, so I guess you nailed it. Also, since I feel like debating, I'll just say that the biggest reason I know of that we creationists well not accept evolution as God's medium of creation is because evolution takes much of the control out of God's hands. Don't misquote me on this; God could manipulate DNA or whatever to get the right animal, but it would mean he would have to guide the animal all the way to conquering it's parents.

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LDSdude
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Message 55 of 63 (182675)
02-02-2005 7:15 PM


Because I said So! (:
Well if Evolution even WAS the way God created the earth, do you know how many factors are involved that would have to happen just right for evolution to work? First of all, if a species has to unable to breed with it's parents(please remember when I say 'parents', I'm referring to the previous species), it would have to meet with another mutated form of the species that is mutated the same way it is. Otherwise it would never breed and the supposed 'better gene' that it carried would be lost. Also, advantagious mutations in animals more often than not are dissapated into the gene pool because they do NOT present a problem with breeding. Like dropping a drop of yellow dye into a lake, the animal would breed with another animal of the 'old' species, and the offspring would only have pieces of the advantage. So if it were true that God used evolution to create the world and all the animals in it, he would have to guide mutated creatures of his design to breed and carry the 'better gene' on and on, and on. Without this guidance, evolution would take amounts of time that God would have no control over. That is why I think that Evolution would have to be monitered by God if it created the world(which I once again state, I DO NOT believe in).
And Jacen, I don't quite understand where that dirt comment is coming from. The (currently incomplete)Fossil Record?
And to Flies Only, hi to you too. It's nice to meet someone here a little bit friendly. Except for the LSD thing... But anyways, my position is that it is impossible to prove evolution and it is impossible to DISPROVE God. Everyone talks about how proof of evolution would convert everyone to the theory, but until you prove evolution and also disprove God, it is my hypothesis that there will always be Religious people(and I myself would probably stay religious even after that!) (:

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