Hydrologic Evidence for an Old Earth

Really it would be mostly sediment-saturated water, sediments carried along in currents and waves. And there's nothing "magic" about the destructive power of forty days of steady deluge plus turbulent seas encroaching on land with tidal waves and currents carrying all kinds of stuff. What's an aquifer? An underground area of porous rock and spaces that contain water, rock that could have started out wet sediment that then hardened under the enormous pressure from above.However, again, the idea of the millions of years scenario for all those neat layers with their neat contents does not compute

yes, faith, it is. i can't believe i have to explain how water works. it's not MAGIC, i promise. one set of sediments, constantly and slowly deposited under one set of conditions. another set of sediments constantly and slowly deposited under another set of conditions. makes a nice line -- all you need is a chift in climate or environment.the homogenity of layers, but dissimilarity to other layers shows that they had to have been formed independently of the other layers. you don't form two different kinds of sedimentary rock in the same water. two different suspension, one on top of the other, would not do this. the only way would incredibly rapid lithification, under high amounts of pressure. but that would utterly destroy the possibility for any fossils contained therein.

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Tapeats Sandstone (averages 545 million years old) - his formation is made of cliff-derived medium- to coarse-grained sand and conglomerate that was deposited on an ancient shore (see 3a in figure 1). Ripple marks are common in the upper members of this dark brown thin-bedded layer. Fossils and imprint trials of trilobites and brachiopods have also been found in the Tapeats. Today it is a cliff-former, 250 to 300 feet (75 to 90 m) thick.

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Geology of the Grand Canyon area - Wikipedia

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coconino, admitted, seems to be only one sediment, pure quartz sand. but we're talking about water suspensions, not wind suspensions. there are sedimentary rocks that contain only kind of sediment, but most are multiple sediments. i am sorry to imply that they do not exist -- they do. ad hoc. the k/t layer demands world-wide circulation of particles. that would have to be a world-wide current that did not mix at all with any other flood water.

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To me and the majority of people who have studied the geosciences it computes a lot better than claiming rain and ocean currents erode miles of rock in less than a year.{ABE} What erosion at the bottom of the ocean anyway? the amount of energy required to use water to erode miles of rock at the bottom of the ocean would have sent the Ark into orbit (at a molecular level}.Edited by anglagard, : ocean bottom erosion

you have three choices for formation of sedimentary rock in water:

1. either the pressure forms the rock, and squeezes the water out in the process, or
2. the rock is formed by evaporation
3. the rock forms chemically

in the first two, the rock forms dry by definition. in the third, well. don't worry about the third, because fortunately the entire geologic column is not chemically deposited. tech support!

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There was no significant erosion at the bottom of the ocean in any creationist scenario I'm aware of.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

So funny people can say such things with a straight face. There are these millions-of-years-long periods of slow accumulation of just one kind of sediment, or mix of sediments -- usually called by the name of one only and pretty uniform at that despite your claim -- and then ALL OF A SUDDEN CRASH BANG the climate on the whole planet just up and changes and NOW FOR SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT for another long slow period of Sl-o-o-o-o-w accumulation. And this pattern of long calm accumulation punctuated by total alteration repeats itself dozens of times, hundreds of times. Weird. But of course you don't see it, right? You've got to believe that's the way it happened.{edit: And at the rate of a foot every two thousand years, there's no way sediments are going to bury organic things fast enough to allow them to fossilize. The whole scenario is wacko.}I would suppose that iridium is very light and floats nicely on the top of sediment-laden waters. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Faith, now I'm no expert but if the geology spans millions of years then a "sudden" change in the strata can represent thousands of years. These processes work on relative scales. Plus it has been clearly shown (and observered) that volcanic eruptions can both lay huge amounts of sediment AND alter global climate in a matter of weeks. Not all geological process run at the same rate.In any case, your objections are are ludicrous given your complete lack of expertise in this field and refusal to listen to those who have devoted their careers to its study.I find it breathtaking that you have the audacity to attempt to debunk an entire branch of science from a position of close to total ignorance! Edited by RickJB, : No reason given.Edited by RickJB, : No reason given.

Please explain the YEC model for wearing down a mountain in 40 days.Here is your problem Faith. There is no way 40 days of rain can wear down a granite mountain. End of case. Until you can present the model that show how that is possible you can use that as some magic myth but not as science.But even the Magic Mythological Biggie-sized Flood will not explain Artesian Aquifers.Artesian Aquifers are a layer of permeable stone between two layers of non permeable material. Artesian Aquifers refute the idea of a Magic Mythological Biggie-sized Flood. Here is why.

• they are not found all over the world.
• they are not at the same level universally.
• often there are many layers stacked vertically.
• above and below each layer is a non permeable layer.
• the layers are not filled vertically by ground water, but rather from ground water at the point where the Aquifer approaches the surface and then the water travels horizontally.
• the water in the aquifer can be dated by radiometric methods, and the results are not uniform for all Aquifers as they would have to be if produced by your Magic Mythological Biggie-sized Flood.

If you wish to present the Magic Mythological Biggie-sized Flood as the source for Artesian Aquifers or Aquifers in general, you need to present a detailed model for the Magic Mythological Biggie-sized Flood that explains the issues raised above.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

You can't be serious. Iridium and osmium are the two most dense elements. Iridium is 22.6 g/cc, more dense than gold (19.3)almost 2X the density of lead (11.4) By contrast, water is 1 g/cc and granite is 2.7 g/cc. So no, iridium is not going to "float nicely on the top of sediment-laden waters."Facts, pictures, stories about the element Iridium in the Periodic TableOn edit: Faith, this kind of howler on your part illustrates once again that you are lacking in a basic knowledge of geology that causes you to make fundamental mistakes. I don't fault you for not knowing that iridium is the most dense element but I do fault you for assuming that it is going to float on flood water all the way around the world without knowing anything about its physical properties. That just demonstrates that those who have been saying that you construct ad-hoc arguments to make the YEC model work are correct. Again I recommend a basic geology text if you want to hold your own in these discussions. You accuse the scientists here of being rude and arrogant. But it is neither rude nor arrogant to ask that you pay attention to basic physics, chemistry and geology. Edited by deerbreh, : Additional point.

Faith,
As was pointed out to you, repeatedly you have your facts about the nature of the geology WRONG.Your conclusions wouldn't be right even if you description of the layers was correct but it is silly to discuss it when you do NOT have it right.

Well, my my my, when does Faith EVER get it right, ya know? You guys are a joke. There is nothing wrong with my descriptions of the layers. I've seen them myself and read countless descriptions of them.

I'll take your word for it. Perhaps it floated on top of some very dense material in the waters. The way it is thinly distributed looks like it floated in, that's all.Curious, is tritium also very heavy?Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Nobody said the flood wore down granite mountains.Nobody said everything had to occur all over the world in a flood.

There you go again. Ad hoc-ing along. Iridium is the MOST DENSE element, along with Osmium. Sediments are going to be closer to the density of granite - that was why I included granite. More likely, was deposited as fine dust from the atmosphere.

What is the YEC explanation for the source of the stuff that was supposedly laid down in the Magic Mythical Biggie-sized Flood? Where does the stuff needed to make mud come from? What is the YEC model that excludes a worldwide Magical Mythical Biddie-sized Flood?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion