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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I was asking questions about the aquifers as anglagard was describing them. Since I know there was this worldwide flood it had to affect the aquifers too. How is still open for speculation though. Well, you did bring up the Magical Mythical Biggie-sized Flood in Message 5 which was your first post in this thread and you do keep saying that there was some Magical Mythical Biggie-sized Flood, but so far have never presented a model that would show that there was a Magical Mythical Biggie-sized Flood or how a Magical Mythical Biggie-sized Flood could create aquifers. Do you have a model that explains aquifers other than long periods or time and normal geological and hydrological processes? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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RickJB Member (Idle past 5021 days) Posts: 917 From: London, UK Joined: |
I've given your views on Geology about as much thought as you have put into them.
None. I've given your views on Geology about about much time as you have spent studying the subject. None. I've given your views on Geology about about much time as you have spent out in the field or teaching students. None. Repeat after me:I. Am. Not. A. Geologist.
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deerbreh Member (Idle past 2923 days) Posts: 882 Joined: |
It's possible the iridium was laid down from the atmosphere between the laying down of sediments Actually that is the only way that it could have happened and that is why it is strong evidence against a world wide flood being the source of different layers of sediment.
but apparently it is a layer between different sediments, which is what suggests it floated on the layer beneath. If it can't it can't. Oh it can't. Iridium falling from the atmosphere or settling out in water is not going to stop until it falls/settles on something solid. And what does that do to the YEC hypothesis of a world wide flood?
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Jazzns Member (Idle past 3942 days) Posts: 2657 From: A Better America Joined: |
So funny people can say such things with a straight face. There are these millions-of-years-long periods of slow accumulation of just one kind of sediment, or mix of sediments -- usually called by the name of one only and pretty uniform at that despite your claim -- and then ALL OF A SUDDEN CRASH BANG the climate on the whole planet just up and changes and NOW FOR SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT for another long slow period of Sl-o-o-o-o-w accumulation. And this pattern of long calm accumulation punctuated by total alteration repeats itself dozens of times, hundreds of times. Weird. But of course you don't see it, right? You've got to believe that's the way it happened. What do you mean we can't see it!?!?!?! What do you think scientists do all day, sit around in air conditioned buildings thinking up crazy ideas? The mechanisms for sedimentation are developed by what we see ACTUALLY HAPPENING TODAY. The crazy unbelievable stuff you are so incredulous about we can actually go outside and watch and do watch. Show me a practicing geologist who does not have a good tan. Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)
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RickJB Member (Idle past 5021 days) Posts: 917 From: London, UK Joined: |
faith writes: Blind authoritarian. Do you fail to see the irony here?
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Admin Director Posts: 13046 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.7 |
Please, everyone, stop the off-topic back-and-forth.
Let's see both sides discuss the evidence. If there are posts in this thread describing hydrologic evidence for an old earth, someone please post links to the most relevant two or three. If there are no such posts, then someone please post one.
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Jazzns Member (Idle past 3942 days) Posts: 2657 From: A Better America Joined: |
Thank you for that commercial, jazz. Nice of you to check in and give your spiel. No problem. Wherever you want to go repeating the nonsense from other threads where you were refuted I'll be there to remind you. A thread had been setup in the past especially for you to come chime in on Limestone.
Limestone Layers and the Flood So until you go support your claim that the flood could produce limestone we can consider the point, how would you say, "wild speculation." Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
That's what I figured. You don't want even to bother to exercise your mind to grasp what I'm trying to say.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Oh it can't. Iridium falling from the atmosphere or settling out in water is not going to stop until it falls/settles on something solid. And what does that do to the YEC hypothesis of a world wide flood? Nothing. It just means that the iridium was laid down on top of one of the many layers deposited by waves and currents of the flood. it's not impossible at all.
But I believe Percy is trying to get this thread back to the topic. .
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NosyNed Member Posts: 9004 From: Canada Joined: |
It's the fact that the layers are so TOTALLY discrete that makes it certain it can't have happened that way. For this to happen once or twice, sure, but over and over again. Too silly for words. I believe that the geologists have pointed out to you that this is not a fact. Repeatedly in fact.
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deerbreh Member (Idle past 2923 days) Posts: 882 Joined: |
grand canyon - Google Search
Here is a link to images of the Grand Canyon. The Grand Canyon is hydrological evidence of an old earth. First the rock was formed. Then it weathered and eroded and was deposited as sediment in layers (usually with the help of water). Each layer lithified into rock. Sometimes layers were eroded away before new layers were deposited and lithified. All this in and of itself is evidence for an old earth. It takes a long time to erode, deposit, lithify, erode some more, deposit some more, lithify some more. For water to do all that requires time, lots of it. If we had not a single fossil in all of the geologic layers we would know the earth was very much older than 10,000 years just based on what we know about how water borne sediment is formed and is deposited.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
If we had not a single fossil in all of the geologic layers we would know the earth was very much older than 10,000 years just based on what we know about how water borne sediment is formed and is deposited. Unless it occurred in a worldwide flood. And remember, there ARE fossils in the layers, and at the rate of deposition required by the Old Earth model, there's no way any of them would have been able to fossilize.
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deerbreh Member (Idle past 2923 days) Posts: 882 Joined: |
I would also argue that the presence of angular unconformaties is hydrological evidence for an old earth. By the way, this also explains why confined (artesian )aquifers have recharge areas sometimes hundreds of miles away. The recharge area is where the aquifer layer meets the angular unconformity.
GEOLOGICAL TIME
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deerbreh Member (Idle past 2923 days) Posts: 882 Joined: |
Unless it occurred in a worldwide flood. No.Many years are needed to form rock, erode rock, and deposit sediment to form successive ROCK layers. If you were somehow to get successive layers, you would not have features like angular unconformaties. Angular unconformaties can only be explained by deposition of one or more layers followed by tilting of the layers followed by erosion followed by another deposition sequence of one or more layers. One flood cannot do that.
And remember, there ARE fossils in the layers, and at the rate of deposition required by the Old Earth model, there's no way any of them would have been able to fossilize. I excluded discussion of fossils because the OP was to provide hydrological evidence only. You are taking it off topic again by talking about fossilization times (I disagree anyway that this is a problem. Fossil formation is BASIC geology. Only YECs think it is a problem, not geologists.)
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
If you were somehow to get successive layers, you would not have features like angular unconformaties. Angular unconformaties can only be explained by deposition of one or more layers followed by tilting of the layers followed by erosion followed by another deposition sequence of one or more layers. One flood cannot do that. No, but conditions after the flood can. The idea is that all the buckling and shifting went on after the layers were settled, but maybe not completely dry. A N-S cross section of the greater Grand Canyon area (from the Grand Staircase to below the Grand Canyon) shows that the layers maintained parallel formation even when following steep slopes, which couldn't happen if the sediments were hardened {edit: before the slope formed}, or had been laid down increment by increment over a period of millions of years {edit: after the slope had formed}. {edit: Judging from this}, the magma intrusions beneath the canyon {edit: that caused the slope in question} clearly happened after the layers were all in place, and account for the unconformity at the base of the canyon. From this it appears that a block of lower layers can shift, tilt or buckle while leaving upper layers more or less horizontally intact, extreme pressure from above plus a slippery interface facilitating the differential shifting. Edited by Faith, : indicated in text
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