WHAT GOD THINKS OF FUNDAMENTALISM

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All Protestants are fundamentalists?

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Where did I say that ?I am a Protestant and I am not a fundementalist.You are suddenly defending the fundies only because you hate Dr. Scott/me. What hypocrisy !

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As for what Dr Scott has to say about fundamentalists, well, I'm not surprised. Who the hell is he to say who is worth saving and who isn't? Is he God??

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Dr. Scott didn't say fundies are not worth saving - God through Paul did. Dr. Scott pointed out what Paul said and agreed with Paul.They are to be kicked out of the chruch because they VOID the gospel which is the very thing Christ's death accomplished. If you disagree then you disagree with Paul who was chosen by Jesus.God hates the fundies thats why He said to kick them out. Thats why He said in Galatians 1 that they are God damned. God said it Trixie whether you recognize it or not.

Then how much of Protestantism do you think is comprised of the fundies ?The OP defines fundementalism as any established church entity that requires any external conformity to Mosaic law as proof of conversion.This message has been edited by WILLOWTREE, 06-10-2004 05:09 PM

I have a source for this topic and I made my case.You OTOH, clearly say "I think" which makes your source at this point yourself.It DOES MATTER because the gospel is at stake. You are militantly anti - fundie in every other topic up until this point but now are willing to let them off the hook while invoking this "different strokes for different folks nonsense".Once again, show me from the Bible how I am wrong. Refute me line for line, verse for verse or please remain quiet. Go ahead and defend the fundies, but remember the Bible/Galatians speaks for God.My topic is aimed at the fundies who recognize the Bible is the eternal word of God. Unless you recognize the Bible as such anything you say is basically a non sequitor.

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ROMANS 9:13: As it is written, "Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have HATED."

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The above verse from the N.T. is quoting God in Genesis.God hated Esau.This verse is quoted to make the point that God hates eveyone else who does what Esau did. You initiated John 3:16; why don't you offer a harmony of these two verses ?

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JESUS from Luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and HATE not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

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JESUS from Matthew 10:34,35 Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword. For I have come to "set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law

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Its not wrong to hate as long as you hate what God hates.The God of love that you invoked is angry when His love/the gospel is voided by the traditions of the established church world. My topic clearly identifies the perps and God's thoughts about them. All you can do is offer politically correct nonsense that has nothing to do with theology.
If you love the fundies so much then practice what you preach when they oppose you in science topics and social issues. Your sudden defense of them here is so obvious as but really a pretext to launch subjective non Biblical attacks against me and Dr. Scott.Trixie, refute the OP from the Bible or you have not a leg to stand on.

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The Bible Does Not Speak For GOD.

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This is the claim of the Canon (OP) and we Protestants (Fundie and non fundie) bow to this claim.This topic is not about the claim of the Bible whether it is God's word or not. I dedicated much of the OP in establishing this fact but only to show non Protestants that we (fundie and non fundie Protestants) BOTH accept the Bible to be the word of God so I can proceed to demonstrate to everyone FROM their own source how it condemns them.Jar, I do not want to debate whether the Bible is the word of God or not - do you now understand why ?

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God speaks for God. And he speaks straight to the individual.

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BTW, what is the source for this belief ?thanks,WT

Hi Trixie !

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ask you why you seemed to be saying that all Protestants were fundamentalists

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Once again, I didn't say that, nor did I "seem" to say that.Why would I say such a thing when it is clearly not true ?What I said was that Protestantism has been completely taken over by the fundies. This means the Protestants who are not fundie are a tiny minority. Also, mind you, that when I speak of Fundementalists I am speaking about them in how I have already defined them in the OP.You say you are in no way defending them - OK !But IF you did then you can play devils advocate - I am game.Then you cut and pasted verses that I posted.What I posted was in response to your belief that "hate" was completely foreign to God/Jesus/Bible/N.T.But to answer your question:IF you truly want to honor your Father and Mother then do not put them ahead of Jesus in your life. This is Jesus's point. He must be first without conditions or qualification.How would you harmonize the verses in question ?Please refresh my memory and tell me where I mentioned Catholicism and the context I used it in ?Then please tell me where I connected Catholicism to political correctness.Trixie:Everyone says the message of the N.T. is about God's love. Your opinion is nothing unique. I agree with you 100 %.The issue is the negation of God's love by the traditions of the established religious Protestant community of our day - the Fundementalists, which perfectly matches the conduct and heresy of the church at Jerusalem in Paul's day.God's love is the new way to relate to Him via faith and not the conformity to Mosaic law as the Fundies insist. This is crucial to understand as it is the CENTRAL lesson that the N.T. attempts to make clear.I have used the Bible as my source and plainly cited my case using verses of scripture. This means, the very source that I and the Fundies recognize as our "Constitution"/Bible is condemning them, which means God is condemning them because the both of us recognize the Bible to contain God's eternal word.

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i've never been to a single church requiring circumcision.

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Where did I say or argue that circumcision is an issue today ?This quote of yours that I cut and pasted was your comment to a quote of mine that you cut and pasted. In that quote I plainly say" CIRCUMCISION IS NOT AN ISSUE TODAY"

Wasn't present tense the issue ?Why would I say circumcision is an issue today when it is clearly not ?Why can't it be the truth - you made a mistake ?This message has been edited by WILLOWTREE, 06-12-2004 03:06 PM

If you say so. I will edit promptly.

Arach:None of your other points challenge the content of the OP.Like your point about Judas - ridiculous !Jesus picked Paul because he was raised at the feet of the brightest Jewish scholar of his time, and his brother was Rufus Pudens a Roman senator. Paul was going to leave a mark on the Empire regardless. God chose the most learned man alive to explain the theology of the O.T.
God would of forgiven Judas if he had asked but there is no record of that happening.

I have spoken plainly in the OP Buz.You are asking for a concession, none will be given. Your only choice is to refute or remain silent.

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I understand why you refuse to answer. To give the correct answer shoots your ideological airplane outa the sky

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I didn't refuse to answer as you know. I refused to grant a concession. Why don't you refute from the OP how the concession that you gave yourself shoots down my airplane.This quote of yours that I cut and pasted is a bare dogmatic opinion - an indigenous trait of fundementalism.

Hi Purpledawn:Your opinion is noted. However, the latter portion of the OP clearly does say what God thinks of fundementalism, if you want I will cut and paste the excerpt - let me know.

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You have shown what Paul thinks of those who disagree with him or who choose not to follow his gospel, but that doesn't make them a bad element.

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All evangelical Protestantism accepts the authority of Paul the Apostle to speak for God/Jesus. When Paul gave his master argument in Galatians 4/Abraham had two sons analogy - this is God's thoughts and viewpoint. The Spirit had Paul interpret Geneis 21:10 the way he did. That interpretation ended by saying that when God had Abraham cast out Hagar and Ishmael that this is what the true church is to do with the church that now is: Jerusalem/fundementalism.The ejection of any person or entity assumes the person or entity was bad or they wouldn't be ejected.Judging you from your "Terms of the New Covenant" topic; you are against/hostile toward Paul.This topic of mine is not concerned with persons who reject Paul because I and the fundies both accept Paul to speak for God and I then proceed to show the fundies how the Bible which they accept as the eternal word of God condemns them.This message has been edited by WILLOWTREE, 06-13-2004 05:26 PM