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Author Topic:   WHAT GOD THINKS OF FUNDAMENTALISM
arachnophilia
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Message 23 of 222 (114379)
06-11-2004 7:59 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Cold Foreign Object
06-08-2004 7:50 PM


Where did Jesus or Paul say that circumcision was necessary ?
as you rightly point out later, paul recommends against circumcision. however, jesus said that he did not come to change the law. in john 7, he even talks about circumcision, and never mentions that people should stop.
the edict to stop circumcision has to do with removing christianity from its judaic roots. there was a lot of anti-semitic agenda in the early church for some reason. especially in letters written by paul (who also espouses slavery and the subordination of women), and in the book of john.
yes, it's against fundamentalism, but in this case, in the wrong direction. in my opinion.
Judas the Betrayer
betray comes from "paradidomi" in greek, meaning "to deliver." so his title here would be "judas the deliverer." remember, without him, there'd be no christianity.
It is a fact that God used Paul to write two thirds of the N.T.
This means that Paul and his message is the God approved message. This means that IF scripture contradicts then whatever Paul says should overrule
what about joseph smith? seriously, i can write anything i want in a bible, and publish it. is the skeptic's annotated bible also god's approved message?
in my opinion, god outranks paul's opinion of god, as far as who to believe.
Every fundementalist denomination has their own set of "circumcision" rules that they say PROVES you are a christian. In Paul's day the church was hot for circumcision or you weren't a truly saved christian, circumcision is not an issue today, but every fundie denomination has their own Mosaic list that they say, the adherence to, proves your conversion.
i've been to a lot of fundamentalist churches, and i mean a lot. every kind, baptist, lutheran, pentacostal, methodist, and even some unnamed place where they told us not to go outside alone because they had been having an alligator problem.
i've never been to a single church requiring circumcision. some suggested baptism though, which, according to the gospels, was just a temporary thing before jesus came.

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arachnophilia
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Message 26 of 222 (114634)
06-12-2004 4:00 AM
Reply to: Message 25 by Cold Foreign Object
06-11-2004 2:58 PM


you used present tense. threw me off.
however, of all the points in my post, you pick that one to answer?

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arachnophilia
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Message 32 of 222 (114741)
06-12-2004 9:33 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by Cold Foreign Object
06-12-2004 4:22 PM


Like your point about Judas - ridiculous !
it's not ridiculous. that's what it says. without judas, we'd have no christianity. certainly none of the other disciples would have done it if asked. that's like, without evil, we'd have no meaningful choice for good. the two define each other.
however, it was really just a side point.
Jesus picked Paul because he was raised at the feet of the brightest Jewish scholar of his time, and his brother was Rufus Pudens a Roman senator.
jesus was also dead at the time. paul never met christ while he was alive, during his ministry.
Paul was going to leave a mark on the Empire regardless. God chose the most learned man alive to explain the theology of the O.T.
paul does anything except the theology of the ot. he contradicts it all over the place, however. you know, with the whole bit about the new covenant, no more circumcision that you posted. that's a start.
God would of forgiven Judas if he had asked but there is no record of that happening.
well, he apparently regretted it enough to hang himself over it, if that's any hint as to his feelings on the matter.

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arachnophilia
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Message 33 of 222 (114742)
06-12-2004 9:36 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by Cold Foreign Object
06-12-2004 3:32 PM


Wasn't present tense the issue ?
Why would I say circumcision is an issue today when it is clearly not ?
Why can't it be the truth - you made a mistake ?
this is the bit that confused me:
but every fundie denomination has their own Mosaic list that they say, the adherence to, proves your conversion.
which followed talking about circumcision, and seemed to imply that you were saying maybe some churches require it. i haven't been to many churches that follow very much of the mosaic law, either. they like the 10 (13?) commandments, but not the rest of it.
you know, except for that parts that say things like witches and gays should die.

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Message 52 of 222 (115005)
06-14-2004 7:23 AM
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06-14-2004 12:17 AM


me an' god used to party all the time, but we're not on speaking terms anymore because my girlfriend was cheating on me with him.

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