WHAT GOD THINKS OF FUNDAMENTALISM

I've read the last couple of pages and message one. Isn't this just the Catholic's versus the Protestants?If it is, there's always going to be fighting. It's a flame thrower job, - Remember Ireland?

That's because he is talking about workers of iniquity - who "promote" themselves as followers of Christ etc.It doesn't mean that good works are "iniquity", it means that those who work iniquity and try to exalt themselves with the efforts they did do (voiced as good works) - are not justified. In this sense, no evil person can "trick Christ" by exalting a "good work", and not mentioning the iniquity. I agree, except probably for the "one's energy" - as no man can "go it alone" and succeed in righteoussness, but rather if he has the fruit of the spirit, he is delivered. I say this with painful experience - promising to God that I would "sin no more" in regard to a sin, and then he shown me that "not by I anything", only by Christ. And I sinned, but my next prayer was "help me" --> THEN I succeeded. Nevertheless, backsliding occurs when left to occur.But why do you pinpoint "fundamentalists"? Surely or I have no right to judge a particular group of people? Are you considering the seperation of the sheep from the goats? - That Jar mentioned?

"We Evangelicals"? Why all the categories anyway?Are you of an elite bunch of super-righteouss humans? Are Fundamentalists not in your elite bunch? Cos that kind of talk reminds me of Hitler not Jesus.I agree Christ is the only way. I agree we are saved by grace.But what's with all this seperation WT? Are you saying that all fundies are not as righteouss as say another group?If anything, Christ brings the barriers down - we are grafted in because there is no difference between the Jew or the Greek. He doesn't say "this group has sin" - He says that we are sinful (humans). Are you better than a fundie? Don't you generalize? For all you know - there might be one who has pleased God very much - being fundie. Are you omniscient WT? Do you worship Dr Scott or Christ? Cos you have the Gospel according to Scott. Who the f**cks Scott anyway - has he sole access to God's spirit?Do you have freedom to judge without full knowledge?I need answers this time!!!! I seek your position on this!!!!!!Beam me up Scotty - to planet Willowtree!This message has been edited by mike the wiz, 08-04-2004 07:43 PM

Hi WillowForgive my rant Willowtree. It is unjustified and I admitt it.But I do seek and desire to know why this certain group has been pinpointed by you. I ask this because I don't like individuals being "picked on" for want of our lack of knowledge.Again - I ABSOLUTELY agree that we are not saved by works but by Christ.But I cannot agree and have good for evil. You see, if I give to someone, I do it because I want to please God, not for a reward.So I think the verse where Christ says "depart from me ye workers of iniquity" means just that! Just because they will say "look at the works we done in your name" doesn't mean that they were good works. If good works are iniquity - why does God prepare them for us?

Hi Willow Oh - now I see that there is a point to that, now you've explained. You see, I assumed (silly me) - that you meant all works are evil, even good ones. But what you're saying is that it is iniquity for THEM because Christ never knew them. You see, I also have read this in my bible - and thought that these people are also claiming to know him, saying "master, master". You see - surely those who just "use" Christ's name (false prophets etc) are also included in this.I see your point - and agree that Christ is the way, not works. As self-righteoussness is filthy rags.But don't some fundies preach faith aswell? How can you lump them all in without knowing for sure? Yes. And also Abraham's faith was counted for righteoussness when uncircumcised. I think you speak this correctly, as "knowledge of sins" is indeed relevant!I think this whole "throw the f**ers out" thing is not needed though Willowtree. It's not like you don't have wisdom, as you have spoken wisely. I reckon you could do a better job without Scott for this reason.Many are against you, but I am not against you. I just think you might be a bit controversial. I don't think anyone should be thrown away though.I think you might mean well, I think you're kinder than people are judging you to be. I hope Christ is kind to you! And now you have explained, forgive my previous remarks.This message has been edited by mike the wiz, 08-05-2004 08:58 PM