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Author Topic:   Nature and the fall of man
iano
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Message 253 of 300 (275794)
01-04-2006 3:26 PM
Reply to: Message 251 by LinearAq
01-04-2006 12:23 PM


Re: God would be to blame if we were automatons
linearAQ writes:
You imply that God can make someone have free will but can't think of any way to convince that person to remain obedient.
It seems to me that God had to find an absolutely perfect balance between drawing a free-willed man to obey him and allowing a free-willed man to disobey him. And the scene had to be perfectly tuned in order for free-will to be the very free-est of wills. Anything shy of perfect balance means that God would have stacked the deck.
Imagine it as a perfectly pointed cone, balanced on it's point on a perfect knife edge. And once balanced and in equilibrium there would be nothing to move it - all the forces equally effective: Gods command vs Satans temptation.
And only something within the cone that is able to shift the centre of gravity on way or the other.
That God knew what would happen in no way influences the result. The cone is given the ability to shift as it wants. God just set it up that way.

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iano
Member (Idle past 1969 days)
Posts: 6165
From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland.
Joined: 07-27-2005


Message 268 of 300 (275968)
01-05-2006 5:03 AM
Reply to: Message 266 by ramoss
01-04-2006 10:42 PM


Re: God would be to blame if we were automatons
ramoss writes:
It seems to me too many people use 'single line' quotes out of context to weave a theology. They support the first line taken out of context, with another single line or two, also taken out of context.
Amen (taken out of context of course!)

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