Is it 'boring' being God?

whose shifting away? You hadn't actually asked up until now, you just kept saying that he wasn't infinitely great. Anyway, God's greatness is mainly: Love, Power, and Wisdom. Of course there are a bunch others but they're subcatagories.This message has been edited by dorkfrommarn, 02-17-2006 02:51 AM

Thats a good question. Since when you try to figure out why something "is". you go back to its begining. Since God didn't have one you can't. But it's always nice to have a perfect someone, so I would guess he makes his own purposes, Because who would be better suited?

Boredom is more than likely not a remotely applicable concept where the concept of God is concerned.

Actually I did ask you to define what you meant, and you handed me links with no selection of what your were referring to. So I suggested which I was running with and you did not deny it, you simply shifted to a new word. He does not have infinite:1) Love: He is angry and jealous by his own words and says things are hated by him and should be hated by us.2) Power: By your own admission he has ceded power to individuals. That he might be capable of infinite power does not change the fact that he does not actually have it. Can God create a stone so great he cannot lift it? The answer is YES, as he has created free will which are ideas he cannot even touch, other than to eliminate. But if that is not enough there is the story in the Bible where he wrestles a human and almost loses. He is eventually forced to cheat to win.3) Wisdom: The guy creates a world and inhabitants which continually piss him off, and does not even have the foresight of warning them against a snake who could trick them. I don't see much wisdom. A person who is frustrated by what he himself does or creates, has not acted wisely.

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holmes
"What you need is sustained outrage...there's far too much unthinking respect given to authority." (M.Ivins)

Heheheh... yep. If its not circular logic, then its pretzel logic.

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holmes
"What you need is sustained outrage...there's far too much unthinking respect given to authority." (M.Ivins)

you asked me to define the word great, not what Gods greatness contained being jealous and angry when you have a right to is not a sin just because he gives power to people does not mean that he does not have infinite power himself you cannot compare two ininites. can't and won't, there is a difference. how did he cheat. just because you wrestle with someone doesn't mean you use all your strength creating something that is imperfect and creating something that can choose to be imperfect are two very, very different things.as you can he is infinite in all these areas, like I said

First of all God is infinite in his wisdom, so who better to chose right from wrong. second, what God is using works when actually done. Perfect logic

Unfortunately humans have no right to be jealous and angry? See this is what I don't get. God who is supposed to be infinitely powerful gets to be petty about things which must be infinitely inconsequential to him, yet finite beings are not allowed to be frustrated by events and beings which directly effect their very lives.In any case this changes nothing. The point was that his love is not infinite. If his love is not infinite then his greatness (which uses love as one of the criteria) cannot be infinite. Yes, by definition, if he gives power to another that he himself cannot control then his power is no longer infinite. I have no idea what this meant. You don't read your own Bible? It says that he was not able to beat the man using his strength and so magically dislocated his hip bone in order to win. Don't know about you, but that is cheating where I come from. If he could have beat the man using his strength alone, why did he have to resort to magic? True, though they share one similarity... not very wise.

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holmes
"What you need is sustained outrage...there's far too much unthinking respect given to authority." (M.Ivins)

I'd like less cheese on that pretzel.

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holmes
"What you need is sustained outrage...there's far too much unthinking respect given to authority." (M.Ivins)

I said WHEN, you have that right you can do it. Not, "Only God can do it and whenever he wants" actually this does change it, you said that he got angry, I said sometime people have a right to. I countered it. cannot, will not. He will not interfere with someone else's power if he bestowed it and they are keeping their part of the bargian if there was one. notice it says who he was a man here, and I don't see how using "magic" is cheating, especially when there are no rules. you cannot compare two infinites could you actually offer a legitimate argument instead of just contradicting me?

are you just gonna keep contradicting me and stop debating?

You seem to have missed the point I was making. How and when does an infinite being ever have the right to get jealous and angry? Other than of course the ability to grant themself the right to be angry. Love thy enemy, forgive those that trespass against you, turn the other cheek. Apparently whether one has a right to be angry, does not mean that one should exercise that right.And in any case right to does not change anything. Okay so he has the right, but in exercising that right then ends his infinite love. Or in other words love is bounded and incapable of inifinite? Whichever way you move you're penned in. Once again you miss the point. Whether he cannot or will not makes no difference. You can end your infinite qualities in practice. Maybe what you mean is that he was once infinite and has the potential for infinite greatness? I still have no idea what you mean. Just repeat the argument because I don't know what you mean, specifically with regard to this debate. I said it wasn't wise, and you explained how two things are different. They may be different regarding some qualities but not with regards to wisdom. If one is going to be upset and angry and jealous creating a world that is not perfect is as unwise as creating a world which has the ability to be imperfect.I might add that if he is infinitely wise he WOULD KNOW IN ADVANCE this world would end in imperfection, and thus chose to create a world which was imperfect.

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holmes
"What you need is sustained outrage...there's far too much unthinking respect given to authority." (M.Ivins)

I said to someone else that the logic was circular or pretzel shaped, and you answered me with a bit of pretzel logic (meaning it twisted around itself). That was a cheesy thing to do.When will you deliver a solid argument that is not a shift in words, or to another subject?

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holmes
"What you need is sustained outrage...there's far too much unthinking respect given to authority." (M.Ivins)

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First of all God is infinite in his wisdom, so who better to chose right from wrong.

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Well, the people who would actually be affected by the decisions as to right or wrong would be better.-

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second, what God is using works when actually done.

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I hear that a lot from people whose plans end up not working at all. What kind of dumbass would institute a plan that needs to be done perfectly knowing bloody well that the plan simply is not going to be followed as perfectly as necessary?

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"Intellectually, scientifically, even artistically, fundamentalism -- biblical literalism -- is a road to nowhere, because it insists on fidelity to revealed truths that are not true." -- Katha Pollitt

I know exactly what you think, I'm asking you to actually point out the flaws in my logic