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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Welcome to the fray dogrelata.
Not sure if this is really related to this topic, but I do think it is to Perceptions of Reality where I have added in Message 112 Enjoy. we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmericanOZen[Deist
... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share.
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dogrelata Member (Idle past 5342 days) Posts: 201 From: Scotland Joined: |
Thanks RAZD.
I'll check out the other topic and post any response to your post on that topic.
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DominionSeraph Member (Idle past 4784 days) Posts: 365 From: on High Joined: |
RAZD writes: Actually it was you: No, it was you:
quote: Latter 'caged' is clearly disassociated from the restrictions of the former. If I misinterpreted, that would mean that you asked an extraordinarily stupid question.I win either way.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
RAZD writes: Actually it was you: No, it was you:
quote: Which has nothing to do with "unlimited" - did you think I would miss you moving the goal posts? The full quote is
You're the one who brought up unrestricted in your attempt to sound Zen,... Actually it was you:
Message 212 An unlimited "free" is self-contradictory. Notice the total lack of the words "unlimited" and "unrestricted" in the quote you used to claim that I posted it first. This is misrepresenting the truth. I also noticed that you were recently suspended for:
Message 197quote: Now I had a bit of a chuckle at that, as that is very much my opinion of your behavior on threads in general (in my experience). I did wait until your suspension was over before responding.
If I misinterpreted, that would mean that you asked an extraordinarily stupid question. I win either way. Which is but one more example of "your expressions of flippant contempt" that got you suspended eh? I find it curious that you think you "win" by misinterpreting the positions of others. For some reason this reminds me of others that have claimed "victory" in these debates:
Message 179 I cam,I saw,I conquored I have not proven my points. YET i have proven that Marsupial biogeography fits creationists models of the past fine. Watch the equation. I think I've made a Damn good case for the good guys. All of you have withered away with serious arguement. You just ask desperate question after question revealing the poverty of your stand. After all we are all novices.Also as usual in these circles the weaker side reverts to abuse. You all constantly accuse me of ignorance and this and that about my ability and motives. I have never said one negative word about any of you. Nor wish or will. We understand you can't handle our well moored confidence and feel intimidated by us. I claim victory. I claim the kill. Hope all enjoyed and were instructed. My opponents are intellectually wearied and done. Interestingly "Robert Byers" is no longer posting here (his last post was 10*20*2004 03:57 PM) but everyone else is. It was also in "boot camp" for what that is worth. You are, however, STILL completely free to believe whatever you want, including that you have won a victory of words when your argument has reached the point of absurdity besides being totally off-topic. This is, of course, more like the behavior of trolls than people truly interested in honest debate. Enjoy. ps - don't be surprised if you find some other empty and pointless "victory" in a lack of response to any more of your posts: I don't respond to trolls. we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmericanOZen[Deist
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DominionSeraph Member (Idle past 4784 days) Posts: 365 From: on High Joined: |
RAZD writes: Which has nothing to do with "unlimited" The absence of limits on your latter 'caged' has nothing to do with unlimited?
RAZD writes: Notice the total lack of the words "unlimited" and "unrestricted" in the quote you used to claim that I posted it first. This is misrepresenting the truth. Nope.Your absence of limits (thus 'unlimited') rolls right into my "unlimited". Everything before your post was limited. Thus you started it. I never said otherwise. RAZD writes: I find it curious that you think you "win" by misinterpreting the positions of others. If my interpretation assigned it the only meaning with an ounce of sense behind it, and if my interpretation was wrong... See? I don't win by. It's just this set of circumstances gives me a win due to what's left.
RAZD writes: This is, of course, more like the behavior of trolls RAZD writes: lack of response to... your posts: I don't respond to trolls. Affirmation of the consequent.Ya' gotta give me a harder one than that. Edited by DominionSeraph, : No reason given. Edited by DominionSeraph, : No reason given.
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 304 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
A perfect god creating a Perfect Eve would know that she would make Her decisions true to her God given nature.
The fall then becomes a leap towards the proper path. Not a fall but a glorious leap towards our quest for knowledge.God wants us to know the tree, that's why it is there and the fact that He has allowed us to eat of it for all these years is a clear indicator that we are doing His will, otherwise He would have ended a failed experiment years go. RegardsDL
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mark24 Member (Idle past 5225 days) Posts: 3857 From: UK Joined: |
GIA,
God wants us to know the tree, that's why it is there .... Why punish us for someone else doing God's will, then? Mark There are 10 kinds of people in this world; those that understand binary, & those that don't
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 304 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
If your will does not offend civil law and limitations, what punishment?
That is my first thought but I should qualify the above by saying I would need clarification of the short statement. RegardsDL
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 304 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
If your will does not offend civil law and limitations, what punishment?
That is my first thought but I should qualify the above by saying I would need clarification of the short statement. RegardsDL
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mark24 Member (Idle past 5225 days) Posts: 3857 From: UK Joined: |
GIA,
If your will does not offend civil law and limitations, what punishment? The fall & everything that went with it. Mark
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Nighttrain Member (Idle past 4024 days) Posts: 1512 From: brisbane,australia Joined: |
GIA, If your will does not offend civil law and limitations, what punishment? The fall & everything that went with it. Mark
Including the greatest collection of predators ever assembled on one planet (AFAIK)--virii, bacteria, fungi, insects, sea and land critters--the list goes on. What did I do to offend the Big Guy but assert my right to free will, saying He doesn`t exist?
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override Junior Member (Idle past 5619 days) Posts: 3 Joined: |
Hopefully I'm not too late into this, but can you elaborate more on your room analogy.
mike the wiz said:"If you're in a room and you can choose from chocolate or fruit, and there's another room where you can choose the same, only in one room God is watching, would you choose differently? No! Therefore we can infer that God's knowledge doesn't affect the individual's choice." Do you mean, that what you do in one room will affect the other room? That if you choose the fruit in on room, you will also choose a fruit in the other room, or if instead you choose the chocolate in one room you will also choose a chocolate in the other room? But god is only in one room. I want you to elaborate, if you can.
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Phat Member Posts: 18350 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Hi, override and welcome to EvC!
Some people believe that humanity ultimately imagined God. Others go out on a limb and assert that God exists and imagined us long before we had the mental capability to imagine Him. What do you believe?
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override Junior Member (Idle past 5619 days) Posts: 3 Joined: |
Um what? I just wanted to know what that person meant by his or her room analogy, because he or she claimed to have proven free will to be compatible with a self contradiction, omniscience-omnipotence.
I believe humanity was created by the ORI. Hallowed are the ORI
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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4220 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: |
What do you believe? I believe that man created God in his image with all the same biases, prejudices & stupidity of himself. There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
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