What is the Meaning of John 3:16?

Message 76 of 156 (192370) 03-18-2005 8:28 PM

Reply to: Message 72 by Thugpreacha 03-18-2005 10:06 AM

No, I asked WHAT was the condemnation.

Message 77 of 156 (313883) 05-20-2006 11:30 AM

Reply to: Message 17 by arachnophilia 03-15-2005 12:23 AM

No, because the John 3:18 says,

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Message 78 of 156 (313885) 05-20-2006 11:39 AM

Reply to: Message 76 by jar 03-18-2005 8:28 PM

KJV: John 3:19-21

As you can see, it is blatently obvious that Jesus is saying that because man's deeds were evil, they chose not to come into the light, least they be saved.

So, they are not damned because of their deeds. They are damned because they chose not to come into the light. The reason why they chose not to come into the light or be saved is because of their wickedness.

He who does truth choses to come into the light, so they chose to be saved. Now, this does not mean a once wicked sinner won't accept Christ.

Men loved darkness rather than light because their deeds were evil. Jesus Christ is the light, or salvation through him is the light. That is the context of this passage. It says that Light came into the world. Jesus Christ is the light that came into the world. Men loved darkness (absence of the light, absence of Jesus Christ) rather than light, BECAUSE their deeds were evil.

So nowehere is it saying that the deeds condemn them to hell. It is saying that they chose not to be saved because of their wicked deeds.

Message 79 of 156 (313888) 05-20-2006 11:42 AM

Reply to: Message 66 by jar 03-16-2005 8:48 PM

All it is saying is that if you do not act, do not behave, as Jesus taught then your behavior is condemned. It's not about profession of faith, or being a Christian, it's about behavior. It ain't what you say, it's what you do.

Wrong.

The light is Jesus Christ. Man loved darkness rather than light BECAUSE his deeds were evil. Therefore man chose not to be saved because of his wicked deeds. He is not damned to hell because of his deeds. He is damned to hell because he chose not to come into the light.

Message 80 of 156 (313892) 05-20-2006 12:09 PM

Reply to: Message 79 by Guido Arbia 05-20-2006 11:42 AM

The idea that GOD would care whether you believed in him or not, or that Jesus would is simply silly. It's as silly as the idea that Jesus death was the sacrifice for our sins.

It says that if you do evil you hate light.

It says that men prefered darkness rather than light because their deeds are evil.

Like the rest of the New Testament, John 3 is talking about behavior.

It ain't about what you believe, it's about what you do.

Message 81 of 156 (313894) 05-20-2006 12:15 PM

Reply to: Message 80 by jar 05-20-2006 12:09 PM

This is directly contradicted by John 3:16-18.

Even the prophecised say that his death was a sacrifice for our sins.

"He was wounded for our transgressions, BY HIS STRIPES WE WERE HEALED."

Correct, if you doeth evil, you hate Jesus Christ which is the light.

Correct, because man's deeds were evil they chose not to come into the light which was Jesus Christ. So because man's deeds were evil they chose not to be saved. So it is not the deeds that condemn them, it is their refusal to come into their light.

They are afraid to come into the light because they don't want their deeds exposed.

No, the New Testiamant talks about behaving because we are saved not the other way around. And every fiber of John 3 talks about salvation through fath is Jesus Christ.

We are justfied through Christ before God's eyes, provided that we accept him of course.

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Message 82 of 156 (381305) 01-30-2007 2:52 PM

Let's take it closer to home and see how it looks.
You have children and must decide if violence is a good teaching tool.
I would suggest that the use of violence or punishment of any kind shows a failure on the part of the parent to use his or her own intelligence to deal with whatever situation is at hand.
The punishment is a measure of your own shame from failure.
God has all in place so that He will never need to punish.

Regards
DL

Message 83 of 156 (381323) 01-30-2007 4:12 PM

Reply to: Message 82 by Greatest I am 01-30-2007 2:52 PM

No, Prov 13:24: "He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes (diligently)."

No, The punishment is a measure of the Fathers love to the child, for what Father does not discipline his sons.

Prov 29:15: "The rod and reproof give wisdom: but a child left to himself bringeth his mother to shame."

Hebrews 12:6-7: "...the Lord disciplines those he loves, and he punishes everyone he accepts as a son. Endure hardship as discipline; God is treating you as sons. For what son is not disciplined by his father?"

Message 84 of 156 (381484) 01-31-2007 9:12 AM

Reply to: Message 83 by johnfolton 01-30-2007 4:12 PM

I raised 4 boys.
The eldest was spanked twice.

I was shamed twice. I blamed it on my youth but the blame belongs to my ignorance.

Regards
DL

Message 85 of 156 (381499) 01-31-2007 11:03 AM

Reply to: Message 83 by johnfolton 01-30-2007 4:12 PM

I contend that you are not understanding the meaning of the word "rod" in this quote. I suggest that it takes on the same meaning as in the 23rd Psalm. "Thy rod and thy staff they comfort me", thy being the good shepherd. The rod is a stick used by a shepherd to guide the sheep in the way he wants them to go, not something that he beats them with.

Message 86 of 156 (381620) 01-31-2007 10:49 PM

Reply to: Message 84 by Greatest I am 01-31-2007 9:12 AM

The bible disagree's: Physical discipline trumps Mental Discipline. Its not about corporeal punishment, chastisement but that physical discipline effects mental discipline.

If you get a chance watch the Super Nanny show the time out corner is a physical discipline affects mental discipline. Its considered child abuse by mans knowledge to physically disciple ones child. I'm not a big fan of mental discipline and all parents have without spanking the child is the time out corner.

Mental discipline can end up being, if you be good I'll reward you and well that is whats wrong with mental discipline. Its rewarding the child for being good instead of being good for goodness sake. When you spank the child he learns to be good for goodness sake instead of some mental reward system, etc...

The worlds a hard taskmasker will the retrobates turn back to God and will the Father recieve them back? The prodical son parable.

Prov 23:14: "Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell (Shoel)."

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Message 87 of 156 (381856) 02-02-2007 9:58 AM

Reply to: Message 86 by johnfolton 01-31-2007 10:49 PM

This may be part of the law that Jesus wanted to change. It would be in character.

Parents who spank are copping out on their own responsibilities to grow with their child.

To return to the topic. How do we know that God has only one begotten sun. If He can make one why not more. The universe is large.

Regards
DL

Message 88 of 156 (381902) 02-02-2007 11:46 AM

Reply to: Message 87 by Greatest I am 02-02-2007 9:58 AM

The child learns that they are in charge not the parent. The child learns not to be good for goodness sake but to con the parent for the tip. The child learns the prosperity gospel of greed and not the gospel of the servants heart. The daughter learns not to please her husband because she learned more how to prostitute herself for the tip, etc...

kjv Isaiah 43:14 Thus saith the LORD, your redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; For your sake I have sent to Babylon, and have brought down all their nobles, and the Chaldeans, whose cry is in the ships.

kjv Isaiah 43:15 I am the LORD, your Holy One the creator of Israel, your King.

kjv Isaiah 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and ye may know and bellieve me, and understand that I am he; before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

kjv Isaiah 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.

Message 89 of 156 (381917) 02-02-2007 12:22 PM

Reply to: Message 88 by johnfolton 02-02-2007 11:46 AM

Regards
DL

Message 90 of 156 (382054) 02-03-2007 12:02 AM

Reply to: Message 89 by Greatest I am 02-02-2007 12:22 PM

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Who's supposed to start it? The wives! In Ephesians 6:1 we find,
Eph 6:1 Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right. and then in verse 4, Eph 6:4 And, ye fathers, provoke not your children to wrath: but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord.
What does that mean? God gives the command first to the follower. He says, "I want the wife to do her job first". That means He wants the child to obey the first. That means He wants the child to obey even if the dad is never the right kind of dad. To obey regardless! Now lets look at another example from the Word of God,
Eph 6:5 Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ;
and then in verse 9 the masters are exhorted to be good masters. God always puts on the follower the burden of having the initiative and the being aggressive. Wives, you do it first. Children, you do it first. Servants you do it first.

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