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jar Member Posts: 33122 From: Texas!! Joined: Member Rating: 4.6 |
No, I asked WHAT was the condemnation. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Gospel Preacher Member (Idle past 371 days) Posts: 549 From: n/a Joined: |
No, because the John 3:18 says,
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Gospel Preacher Member (Idle past 371 days) Posts: 549 From: n/a Joined: |
Jar, you have been taking the condemnation out of context.
KJV: John 3:19-21
As you can see, it is blatently obvious that Jesus is saying that because man's deeds were evil, they chose not to come into the light, least they be saved. So, they are not damned because of their deeds. They are damned because they chose not to come into the light. The reason why they chose not to come into the light or be saved is because of their wickedness. He who does truth choses to come into the light, so they chose to be saved. Now, this does not mean a once wicked sinner won't accept Christ.
Men loved darkness rather than light because their deeds were evil. Jesus Christ is the light, or salvation through him is the light. That is the context of this passage. It says that Light came into the world. Jesus Christ is the light that came into the world. Men loved darkness (absence of the light, absence of Jesus Christ) rather than light, BECAUSE their deeds were evil. So nowehere is it saying that the deeds condemn them to hell. It is saying that they chose not to be saved because of their wicked deeds.
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Gospel Preacher Member (Idle past 371 days) Posts: 549 From: n/a Joined: |
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All it is saying is that if you do not act, do not behave, as Jesus taught then your behavior is condemned. It's not about profession of faith, or being a Christian, it's about behavior. It ain't what you say, it's what you do. Wrong.
The light is Jesus Christ. Man loved darkness rather than light BECAUSE his deeds were evil. Therefore man chose not to be saved because of his wicked deeds. He is not damned to hell because of his deeds. He is damned to hell because he chose not to come into the light.
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jar Member Posts: 33122 From: Texas!! Joined: Member Rating: 4.6 |
Guido, please read it again. You've even quoted it. The key is behavior.
The idea that GOD would care whether you believed in him or not, or that Jesus would is simply silly. It's as silly as the idea that Jesus death was the sacrifice for our sins. It says that if you do evil you hate light. It says that men prefered darkness rather than light because their deeds are evil. Like the rest of the New Testament, John 3 is talking about behavior. It ain't about what you believe, it's about what you do. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Gospel Preacher Member (Idle past 371 days) Posts: 549 From: n/a Joined: |
This is directly contradicted by John 3:16-18. Even the prophecised say that his death was a sacrifice for our sins. "He was wounded for our transgressions, BY HIS STRIPES WE WERE HEALED."
Correct, if you doeth evil, you hate Jesus Christ which is the light.
Correct, because man's deeds were evil they chose not to come into the light which was Jesus Christ. So because man's deeds were evil they chose not to be saved. So it is not the deeds that condemn them, it is their refusal to come into their light. They are afraid to come into the light because they don't want their deeds exposed.
No, the New Testiamant talks about behaving because we are saved not the other way around. And every fiber of John 3 talks about salvation through fath is Jesus Christ.
We are justfied through Christ before God's eyes, provided that we accept him of course. Edited by Guido Arbia, : No reason given. Edited by Guido Arbia, : No reason given.
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 1131 days) Posts: 1423 Joined: |
Jesus was for against the ideas of punishment. He who has not sinned cast the first stone etc.
Let's take it closer to home and see how it looks. Regards
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johnfolton ![]() Suspended Member (Idle past 4342 days) Posts: 2024 Joined: |
No, Prov 13:24: "He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes (diligently)."
No, The punishment is a measure of the Fathers love to the child, for what Father does not discipline his sons. Prov 29:15: "The rod and reproof give wisdom: but a child left to himself bringeth his mother to shame." Hebrews 12:6-7: "...the Lord disciplines those he loves, and he punishes everyone he accepts as a son. Endure hardship as discipline; God is treating you as sons. For what son is not disciplined by his father?"
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 1131 days) Posts: 1423 Joined: |
"for what Father does not discipline his sons."
There is a big difference between discipline, chastisement and corporeal punishment. I raised 4 boys. I was shamed twice. I blamed it on my youth but the blame belongs to my ignorance. Regards
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GDR Member (Idle past 101 days) Posts: 5409 From: Sidney, BC, Canada Joined: |
I contend that you are not understanding the meaning of the word "rod" in this quote. I suggest that it takes on the same meaning as in the 23rd Psalm. "Thy rod and thy staff they comfort me", thy being the good shepherd. The rod is a stick used by a shepherd to guide the sheep in the way he wants them to go, not something that he beats them with. Everybody is entitled to my opinion. :)
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johnfolton ![]() Suspended Member (Idle past 4342 days) Posts: 2024 Joined: |
The bible disagree's: Physical discipline trumps Mental Discipline. Its not about corporeal punishment, chastisement but that physical discipline effects mental discipline. If you get a chance watch the Super Nanny show the time out corner is a physical discipline affects mental discipline. Its considered child abuse by mans knowledge to physically disciple ones child. I'm not a big fan of mental discipline and all parents have without spanking the child is the time out corner. Mental discipline can end up being, if you be good I'll reward you and well that is whats wrong with mental discipline. Its rewarding the child for being good instead of being good for goodness sake. When you spank the child he learns to be good for goodness sake instead of some mental reward system, etc... The worlds a hard taskmasker will the retrobates turn back to God and will the Father recieve them back? The prodical son parable. Prov 23:14: "Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell (Shoel)." Edited by Charley, : No reason given. Edited by Charley, : No reason given. Edited by Charley, : No reason given.
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 1131 days) Posts: 1423 Joined: |
I can only reiterate that corporeal punishment means that the parent has failed to rear up child with the proper mind set.
I child is born as a blank piece of paper on witch the parent tries to write all the proper phrases. When we fail we spank. Who then learns the lesson and what is the lesson. This may be part of the law that Jesus wanted to change. It would be in character. Parents who spank are copping out on their own responsibilities to grow with their child. To return to the topic. How do we know that God has only one begotten sun. If He can make one why not more. The universe is large. Regards
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johnfolton ![]() Suspended Member (Idle past 4342 days) Posts: 2024 Joined: |
The child learns that they are in charge not the parent. The child learns not to be good for goodness sake but to con the parent for the tip. The child learns the prosperity gospel of greed and not the gospel of the servants heart. The daughter learns not to please her husband because she learned more how to prostitute herself for the tip, etc...
kjv Isaiah 43:14 Thus saith the LORD, your redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; For your sake I have sent to Babylon, and have brought down all their nobles, and the Chaldeans, whose cry is in the ships. kjv Isaiah 43:15 I am the LORD, your Holy One the creator of Israel, your King. kjv Isaiah 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and ye may know and bellieve me, and understand that I am he; before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. kjv Isaiah 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 1131 days) Posts: 1423 Joined: |
Not sure where you went with this but if the child gains control then what good is the parent.
The parents failure again. Regards
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johnfolton ![]() Suspended Member (Idle past 4342 days) Posts: 2024 Joined: |
I thought I'd switched but to backpedal and clarify the role playing of the family from a biblical perspective. The man is the head of the house but the wife is to be the agressor. It starts with the wife that she submits to the husband, so the children too submit to his headship. Its not about the father being the childrens buddies but to nurture them in the ways of the LORD.
--------------------------------------- Who's supposed to start it? The wives! In Ephesians 6:1 we find,
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