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jar

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Message 25 of 329 (234065)
08-17-2005 11:17 AM

Reply to: Message 23 by Phat
08-17-2005 10:52 AM

Does it limit belief?

Phatboy writes:

Anything that falls outside of rationality can be assumed to be false until "proven" otherwise.

The problem with this approach is that it limits belief to human wisdom.

I wonder if there are not two different problems in that statement. First, is the former statement correct or should it be "Anything that falls outside of rationality can be assumed to be unknown until "proven" otherwise."

The later statement is also not true. While many of us will say that we can only know things that can be supported by evidence which can be independantly verified, that does not limit what we might believe to be true.

Atheists do not say it's impossible for there to be a GOD, only that there is no independantly verifiable evidence that there is a GOD.

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Message 35 of 329 (234106)
08-17-2005 12:58 PM

Reply to: Message 29 by Theodoric
08-17-2005 12:08 PM

Re: This shouldn't be so hard people

Determine why it is so important for the theists to say atheism isnt belief.

As a theist, I don't see where it makes much difference. Anything related to GOD or gods will be a personal matter anyway. Whether Atheism is belief or non-belief is up to the individual and I'm perfectly satisfied regardless of how they describe it.

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Message 141 of 329 (235127)
08-20-2005 10:12 PM

Reply to: Message 140 by Omnivorous
08-20-2005 9:45 PM

Re: science and the meaning of life

Approaching the mid-point of my sixth decade,...

Yeah, but the gains are great. Don't feel like shaving today? Then don't. Let the young wippersnappers stare.

And to keep it on topic, why the hell does anyone care about someelse's beliefs as long as they don't have anything to do with others?

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