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The Bible's Flat Earth

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lyx2no
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Message 116 of 473 (499785)
02-20-2009 11:12 AM 		Reply to: Message 111 by thingamabob
02-20-2009 10:23 AM

Could You be More Specific
I know the Earth is not a perfect sphere, that is the reason Isaiah did not use the word for ball.
Isaiah has a spheroidal object with a short radius of 5 cm and a long radius of 5.02 cm: what does Isaiah call it?
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At what point along the equator is the diameter of the earth less than 7,926.41 miles?
This is a gravity map of Earth.
At what point along the equator is the diameter of the Earth 7,926.41 miles?
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Genesis 2
17 But of the ponderosa pine, thou shalt not eat of it; for in the day that thou shinniest thereof thou shalt sorely learn of thy nakedness.
18 And we all live happily ever after.
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Message 162 of 473 (500030)
02-22-2009 8:31 AM 		Reply to: Message 161 by Black
02-22-2009 8:21 AM

Don't be a Jack offall Trades
I have stated my argument. Since I don't feel like circle jerking I will leave it at that.
With that attitude you'll never become a master debater.
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Genesis 2
17 But of the ponderosa pine, thou shalt not eat of it; for in the day that thou shinniest thereof thou shalt sorely learn of thy nakedness.
18 And we all live happily ever after.
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Message 254 of 473 (500773)
03-02-2009 12:31 PM 		Reply to: Message 253 by Granny Magda
03-02-2009 10:38 AM

Here Here
An error mentioned in passing may not be the most serious of errors, but it is still a deathblow to Biblical inerrancy.
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Here Here!* I hope this very succinct point does not fall on deaf ears.
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AbE: *Thank you, Catholic Scientist, for the correction, but I was mimicking Peg in Message 249. Where imitation is the sincerest form of flattery it's also good as subtle mockery.
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Edited by lyx2no, : Per Catholic Scientist in his reply 255..
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Genesis 2
17 But of the ponderosa pine, thou shalt not eat of it; for in the day that thou shinniest thereof thou shalt sorely learn of thy nakedness.
18 And we all live happily ever after.
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Message 296 of 473 (501987)
03-09-2009 7:09 AM 		Reply to: Message 295 by kbertsche
03-09-2009 12:27 AM

4)
I can see three main approaches that would have been possible:
1) use cultural imagery of the day to convey spiritual truth (the position I've been presenting)
2) teach them the truth about cosmology (big bang, etc), before conveying spiritual truth. This would have been a huge distraction from the spiritual message.
3) use some sort of "culturally neutral" imagery, as you suggest.
How about:
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4) Continuously update every Bible and human memory to reflect the zeitgeist. He's God, why is He so limited?
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Edited by lyx2no, : To add a redundancy, recognize it as a redundancy, and remove the redundancy.
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Genesis 2
17 But of the ponderosa pine, thou shalt not eat of it; for in the day that thou shinniest thereof thou shalt sorely learn of thy nakedness.
18 And we all live happily ever after.
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lyx2no
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Message 298 of 473 (502129)
03-09-2009 7:20 PM 		Reply to: Message 297 by Peg
03-09-2009 6:58 PM

Re: 4)
bibles do get updated all the time.
By God?
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The discussion was on cultural imagery being problematic. My point was "Why would it be problematic for God?" God could easily update the Bible and human recollection to fit every new discovery. Galileo looks through his telescope and sees for the first time that Venus goes through the same phases as the moon and remembers having read about that in the Bible. Never would we have to kill each other over interpretations.
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AbE: This is the problem with trying to rationally discuss religion at all. God is magic and to rationalize why God did this or didn't do that is wishful thinking at best. People thought the world was flat. They wrote about it as if the world was flat. To wish this away is silly. To limit the size of the wish is sillier. Wishing for one hundred dollars is kind of stupid when you could just as easily wish for a jazillion.
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Edited by lyx2no, : To expound.
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Genesis 2
17 But of the ponderosa pine, thou shalt not eat of it; for in the day that thou shinniest thereof thou shalt sorely learn of thy nakedness.
18 And we all live happily ever after.
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Message 443 of 473 (552919)
03-31-2010 6:11 PM 		Reply to: Message 440 by rockondon
03-31-2010 4:40 PM

It's All About Me
I don't see the fact that Christian theologians taught a flat earth is even questionable.
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Granny's right: It isn't only about Christian theologians teaching a flat earth being unquestionable: You're a teacher here too. You are teaching me, well, lurkers in general, good debate practice. Not to mention upping the quality of EvC by including proper citations.
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