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Author Topic:   The Bible was NOT man made, it was Godly made
Tryannasapien Rex
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Message 176 of 320 (421236)
09-11-2007 5:00 PM


I think i have a way to test your idea
In Matthew 21:21
Jesus says
"If you have faith and do not doubt you can say to this mountain, 'Go, throw yourself into the sea,' and it will be done. If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer"
if you look at what he is saying he says with enough faith you can move a mountain.
if you try this nothing will happen.
So isn't he lying?
You might say no,because he is just speaking metaphorically.
But you see this you really should be able move that mountain.
because in his next statement he says.
"If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer"
Because he uses the word "whatever" it makes this statement an absolute statement.
So he is saying you can have anything you want the only limitation is that you believe.
believe in Jesus is not magic,its accepting that the things that he says are true.
so if you look at his statement he's saying you can have what ever you want just accept that what he's telling you is the truth.
But sense you don't get what you want he is actually lying.
So Jesus cant be that perfect Savior but just a nother man.
A perfect Savior can't make promises he cant keep.
That make the bible just a nother book written by men.

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Tryannasapien Rex
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Message 232 of 320 (425991)
10-04-2007 5:33 PM
Reply to: Message 180 by gen
10-03-2007 11:11 PM


re: gen
You are trying to use god the father against the god the son
quote:
The Bible also says, in other places, that God will do whatever you ask that is IN HIS WILL
god the father and god the son are one in the same,the word was with god and the WORD WAS GOD.
When Jesus says in John ch14, ver12-14: Whatever you ask in my name, I will do it, that the Father may be glorified in the Son; if you ask anything in my name, I will do it. Because he says and These statements cant be limited by god the father,s will because these statements are god's will. If you try to limit them in any way with some other bible verse then you are just using the bible to contradict the bible and you would be also making jesus a liar
quote:
God is not a magician that does what you want.
When Jesus says in John ch14, ver12-14:{Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in me will also do the works that I do; and greater works than these will he do} he is talking about the miracles he did,
1 walk on water
2 turn water into wine
3 command a tree to wither and die
1,2 and 3 are magic tricks and its OK to do them because he says YOU can do them.
quote:
He is eternal, all powerful and all knowing
when you are "eternal, all powerful and all knowing" you can also do magic
quote:
He is NOT a magic charm to be pulled out of a box when we want a bit of luxury
it's not a bit of luxury to ask for "fully functional flesh and blood leg" to help an amputee!!! especially when an all powerful being can do it and says he will do it when you ask.
quote:
He can see what is best
What would BEST for an amputee oh lets see i think a fully functional flesh and blood leg.
Your god is all powerful he can do it, all YOU have to do is ask in his name.
Why don't you do it ask him to help some amputee and ask for a fully functional flesh and blood leg and see if you get it.
When you don't get your leg "because this prayer will never be answered" is it because jesus lies or maybe its that you don't believe in jesus when he says? {Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in me will also do the works that I do; and greater works than these will he do} If jesus is lying then why do you believe in a liar? If jesus is not lying then why are you defending someone you don't believe in!?!?!?
quote:
Jesus says that a father would give his child food if they need it, just like God will give us whatever we need
And those children in Africa do not get what they need because they starving to !!death!! so your book lies again!! All you have to do is ask in jesus name to end world hunger and he will do. Unless its god the father's will that they needless suffer die for some insane reason.
quote:
He can see what is best. Jesus says that a father would give his child food if they need it, just like God will give us whatever we need
Isaiah 13:13-16
Therefore I will make the heavens tremble, and the earth will be shaken out of its place,
at the wrath of the Lord of hosts on the day of his fierce anger.
Like a hunted gazelle, or like sheep with no one to gather them,
all will turn to their own people, and all will flee to their own lands.
Whoever is found will be thrust through, and whoever is caught will fall by the sword.
Their infants will be dashed to pieces before their eyes;their houses will be plundered,
and their wives ravished.
Or this:Hosea 13
Samaria shall bear her guilt, because she has rebelled against her God; they shall fall by the sword, their little ones shall be dashed in pieces, and their pregnant women ripped open. -
Or this:Numbers 31
Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man by lying with him. But all the young girls <<<{little girls as sex slaves sick sick sick}who have not known man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.
god knows best when he has the Israelites murder innocent baby's, that's what a real loving father would do !!! this would be funny if it wasn't so sick!!!!
quote:
'Every word of God is flawless, he is a shield to those who take refuge in him.' -Proverbs 30:5
Exodus, Chapter 32:
Then he [Moses] said to them, "This is what the Lord, the God of Israel, says: 'Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor.' " The Levites did as Moses commanded, and that day about three thousand of the people died.
So... one minute we have God carving into stone, "Thou shalt not kill." Then the next minute we have God telling each man to strap a sword to his side and lay waste to thousands. Wouldn't you expect the almighty ruler of the universe to be slightly more consistent than this? 3,000 dead people is a lot of commandment breaking. Obviously that is a total contradiction. you realy think the word god is flawless?
quote:
That should settle this debate. The Bible itself states that it is the word of God
Nope sorry not by a long shot
The bible is a book written by superstitous sheep hearders who claim to speak for some imaginary god.
But i'll tell what will settle this debate.
All you have to do is do the works that jesus did and says you can do,just turning some water into wine will suffice.
So no excuse just put your faith were your mouth is and do it

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Tryannasapien Rex
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Message 242 of 320 (426451)
10-06-2007 7:49 PM
Reply to: Message 222 by gen
10-04-2007 3:48 AM


Re: Why do you not believe this?
Why would your god command the Israelites to kill innocent little boys and take innocent little girls as sex slaves?
quote:
Numbers 31
Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man by lying with him. But all the young girls who have not known man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves
Takeing little girls as sex slaves is wrong and a sin.
Haveing sex with a slave is haveing sex outside of wedlock that makes it a sin.
Killing these little boys is murder because it was premeditated
because he told them to kill the little boys and take the little girls as sex slaves.
Don't you see that your god commanded the Israelites to break the commandments that he them gave to keep.
This is why you god cant be real because no perfect god would do this.
Your beliefs are evil because of the many passages like this in your bible.
This time god commands them to sin,
1 Should they obey god and break his law?
or
2 Rebel against god and keep his law?

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