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Author Topic:   Fullfilled Bible prophecy
AdminBrian
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Message 2 of 92 (110143)
05-24-2004 12:14 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by almeyda
05-22-2004 9:21 AM


Needs some work.
Oh boy, there is probably too much information and you make too many points for this to be an opening post. There is also the problem of misinformation about other peoples’ faiths. You do not seem to realise that if you reject ALL of the prophecies in the Qur’an then you essentially deny a fair number of Old Testament prophecies as many OT prophecies are quoted in the Qur’an. So you have undermined your own argument before we even start a discussion. You do know that Abraham, Jacob Moses, Aaron, Noah, Elijah, Jonah and many other Old Testament prophets are also Islamic prophets, and if you reject everything that these people say in the Qur’an then you have excluded a great many OT prophecies. Food for thought.
The later you say that ‘Buddhist,Hindu,Islam,Mormon writings do not contain a fullfilled prophecy.
Have you bothered to check whether there are any fulfilled prophecies in their scriptures?
There is a problem with mentioning Buddhism here, why would Buddhism, a faith that does not acknowledge the existence of an eternal creator, possibly have any prophecies? Prophecy is proclaiming God’s words, Buddhism doesn’t have a god, so this is a pointless claim.
17 books of prophecy were written in this period.
What period are you talking about?
How much proof is proof?...
The Bible is filled with incredible prophecies & facts that meet both the statistician,skeptic & Gods standards. From a practical perspective many scientist determine that anything beyond one chance in 10 to the power of 50 is beyond reason. Essentially impossible or absurd. Like someone correctly guessing the lottery 7 times in a row. Unless of course there is divine inspiration. Odds far more staggering than this describe the essence and probability of Gods divine guidance of the Holy Bible
Some people may argue that you are just picking numbers out of the air here, how do you arrive at these figures?
Jesus In Old Testament prophecy...
Keep in mind that the men who wrote the Old Testament many did not know each other or in any way related or connected,several continents,over 1000yr span of time,many generations).
This needs work too. You would need to mention a few of the prophets that you believe did not know each other, and you would have ot argue beyind reasonable doubt that they didnt have access to each other's work.
Finally, the cut and paste job of the prophecies about Jesus that you mention is unreasonable, for an opening post.
Try to pick out one, or maybe two, prophecies that you think are easily supported then discussion can develop from there. You can introduce more propehcies as the thread develops
As it stands, there is far too much information (and misinformation), to start off a topic. Try to keep it simple, then build it up from there. Even if you said:
‘There are many prophecies in the Bible that have came true, too many, in my opinion for it to be mere coincidence, there has to be a superior intelligence behind these texts. I think that the prophecies in Isaiah 7:14 and Isaiah 53, only two of over 300 fulfilled by Jesus, is proof of Jesus divinity and proof that God is the author of the Bible.’
Obviously you can choose whichever prophecies you want, and then I am sure the topic would pick up nicely from there. This is just my recommendation; it is how I would introduce the topic if I was going to take this stance.
I appreciate that you would like to include as much information as you can to support your opinion, but this information can be introduce throughout the debate as evidence. I have no idea how you are going to support the statistics, but good luck anyway.
I would also recommend you to read the advice that Paul suggested on the other thread.
AdminBrian

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AdminBrian
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Message 4 of 92 (110148)
05-24-2004 12:30 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by AdminNosy
05-24-2004 12:18 PM


Re: Needs some work.
Hi,
I wasn't intending my comments to be 'arguments'. I was intending on saving Almeyda some work. I don't think it is a good start to a topic to include so much misinformation and unsupported information. I was also justifying my reasons for rejecting the topic as it stands.
We could have had the strange situation of a first response to the OP pointing out that Almeyda's rejection of Islamic prophecies has essentially debunked his own argument.
However, if you would like it to go ahead 'as is', I have no problems with that at all. I was only offering advice to Almeyda, he does not need to take it. But IMO there are too many different arguments for this to be a first post.
AdminBrian

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AdminBrian
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Message 5 of 92 (110845)
05-27-2004 8:55 AM


Thread moved here from the Proposed New Topics forum.
Almeyda has edited some of the content out of the first post and has expressed a desire to defend his position. Although there are a great many alleged prophecies in the final section of the post, apparently this is a poem that Almeyda enjoys.
I have a feeling htat this topic could wander all over the place, so it would be good if memebrs could try and deal with one or two 'prophecies' at a time, and perhaps discuss these until some agreement is arrived at.
On with the show, strap yourself in Almeyda, I feel you have a rough ride ahead, and good luck.
AdminBrian.
This message has been edited by AdminBrian, 05-27-2004 08:02 AM

  
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