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jar
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Message 9 of 92 (110874)
05-27-2004 11:28 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by almeyda
05-27-2004 10:57 AM


But unfortunately the Prophecies aren't there.
For example, you use Micah 5:2 as a prophecy of Jesus Birthplace. But if you read through all of Micah Chapter 5 it is pretty obvious that Micah is not speaking of Jesus. If you insist that Micah is speaking of Jesus then the balance of the chapter failed to come true and either the Prophecy is false or Jesus is false.
Micah Chapter 5 3-15
3: Therefore will he give them up, until the time that she which travaileth hath brought forth: then the remnant of his brethren shall return unto the children of Israel.
4: And he shall stand and feed in the strength of the LORD, in the majesty of the name of the LORD his God; and they shall abide: for now shall he be great unto the ends of the earth.
5: And this man shall be the peace, when the Assyrian shall come into our land: and when he shall tread in our palaces, then shall we raise against him seven shepherds, and eight principal men.
6: And they shall waste the land of Assyria with the sword, and the land of Nimrod in the entrances thereof: thus shall he deliver us from the Assyrian, when he cometh into our land, and when he treadeth within our borders.
7: And the remnant of Jacob shall be in the midst of many people as a dew from the LORD, as the showers upon the grass, that tarrieth not for man, nor waiteth for the sons of men.
8: And the remnant of Jacob shall be among the Gentiles in the midst of many people as a lion among the beasts of the forest, as a young lion among the flocks of sheep: who, if he go through, both treadeth down, and teareth in pieces, and none can deliver.
9: Thine hand shall be lifted up upon thine adversaries, and all thine enemies shall be cut off.
10: And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the LORD, that I will cut off thy horses out of the midst of thee, and I will destroy thy chariots:
11: And I will cut off the cities of thy land, and throw down all thy strong holds:
12: And I will cut off witchcrafts out of thine hand; and thou shalt have no more soothsayers:
13: Thy graven images also will I cut off, and thy standing images out of the midst of thee; and thou shalt no more worship the work of thine hands.
14: And I will pluck up thy groves out of the midst of thee: so will I destroy thy cities.
15: And I will execute vengeance in anger and fury upon the heathen, such as they have not heard.
The balance of Micah 5 shows someone quite different from Jesus, a war leader who smites a specific foe, the Assyrians.
So based on what you provided I think it is reasonable to say thet Micah 5:2 is not a fullfiled Bible Prophesy.
Next you mention Daniel 9:25
25: Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
What does that have to do with Jesus time of birth?
Status, Daniel 9:25 is unfullfilled.
Then you mention Genesis 49:10
10: The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be.
Again, totally unrelated to time of Birth. Status, unfullfilled.
Finally, Isaiah 7:14
14: Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
This is the only one of the verses that you mentioned that seems to predict Jesus birth.
One other point though which is totally incorrect is your statement
The reason Jesus is the son of God is because he reserected and conquered death while the founders of every other religion decayed in their tombs.
That is simply not a statement that you can make with any hope of supporting your position. For example, Muhammad rose to Paradise on a horse and so did not die.
Please, if you are going to defend Christianity based on fullfilled prophesy, do your homework. Find things that we can actually support. Do not do further harm to the already shakey status of the Christian perspective.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 13 of 92 (111017)
05-28-2004 12:43 AM
Reply to: Message 12 by almeyda
05-28-2004 12:28 AM


Re: But unfortunately the Prophecies aren't there.
Well now almeyda, what I quoted was from the King James Vesrion. Which Version of the Bible are you playing with? Seems your version adds quite a bit to the verse. But let's look at what you have to say.
You say 483 years = three score and seven weeks and 2 weeks. That makes three score and nine weeks.
So three score and 9 weeks is equal to 483 years according to you. Well 483 years = 25,116 weeks. If we subtract 9 weeks, that leaves 25,107 weeks. Divide that by 3 and we get a score equal to 8,369 weeks.
Sounds pretty clear.
Your next verse seems to imply that the messiah will live then for three score and 2 weeks or, according to your figures, about 482 years.
If I were you, I'd check and see if I couldn't find a somewhat better Bible. There are lots to choose from you know.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 26 of 92 (113614)
06-08-2004 1:15 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by almeyda
06-08-2004 8:30 AM


Still running away.
Where are the stars? How far away are they?
You have not been able to answer any of the questions put to you. You can not answer even the simplest ones and you have been show time and again, that you don't even know what the Bible says.
Almeyda, try thinking on your own. I know you can do it, you may be out of practice, but if you try really hard, I just bet you'll succeed.
Answer the questions.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 31 of 92 (113684)
06-08-2004 7:39 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by mike the wiz
06-08-2004 2:27 PM


Mike.
After Constantine promoted Christianity from just another small, obscure religion into pretty much the only choice if you were on the fast track for promotion, there was an enormous growth in visiting the shrines. It was not quite Disneyworld, far more like the motels and monkey farms that grew up beside the US Highways.
As a child of the Interstate, you may not remember those attractions. But before Ike's Highway system was built, as you drove down Highway 29, 301 or US 1 heading south, nearly every town had a Monkey Farm, Snake Farm or Alligator Ranch. You had the World's Biggest Ball of Twine, Rock City, some 9 foot tall cow statue, two headed frogs or some other thing designed to get tourists to slow down, maybe stop and eat lunch, maybe even spend the night.
Even today, if you get off the Interstate you can still find the Monkey Farms, fences covered in Kudzu; and the Mom & Pop Motels, turned into cheap housing or telemarketers secret headquaters.
Well, the Middle East was like that after Constantine made the political decision that Christianity was to be top dog. Any of the young men or women that wanted a leg up in their career made the trek through the lands of the Bible. And the people living in those Towns of the Bible were as happy to see the big city suckers as they are today. Every town mentioned in the Bible had their shrine up and working, they had relics from the true cross, blood from the cover of the Ark of the Covenant, bones of the saints, and barbeque from the very donkey that Christ rode on. In fact, visit the area today and you too can find any of those things. Little has changed, "Shoe shine Mister? You want to buy a Rolex? You want to meet my Sister?" Nope, little has changed.
But there is the possibility, since this was only three or four hundred years after the fact, that there might have been some truth to some of the rumors and allegations. But there was little real attempt to find the truth as we would know it. The problem today, another 1600 years after the Constantine period, is seperating the claims. There are dozens of sites competing for each claim, three or four Tombs of Jesus, a half dozen spots where John Baptized the Masses and enough wood from the true cross to have built the ark.
An awful lot of the relics WERE adopted by the Church. When the Emperor's Mother brings you a piece of the true cross, are you going to tell her it's a fake? But for the most part, these things are venerated, but not tested. There is no attempt to prove it is not what it seems and it is accepted for what it symbolizes. And that is not wrong. Afterall, it is the symbol that is really important, not the object itself. It is Jesus that is worshipped and glorified, not wood.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 71 of 92 (120062)
06-29-2004 5:05 PM
Reply to: Message 70 by Lithodid-Man
06-29-2004 4:56 PM


Re: Tyre
Actually, Zeke was considerably earlier IIRC. He was most likely speaking of the attack on Tyre by Nebuchadnezzar which was about the time of Zeke and not Alexander.
Ezekiel 26
7: For thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will bring upon Tyrus Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon, a king of kings, from the north, with horses, and with chariots, and with horsemen, and companies, and much people.
8: He shall slay with the sword thy daughters in the field: and he shall make a fort against thee, and cast a mount against thee, and lift up the buckler against thee.
9: And he shall set engines of war against thy walls, and with his axes he shall break down thy towers.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 86 of 92 (120837)
07-01-2004 1:36 PM
Reply to: Message 84 by Lysimachus
07-01-2004 1:16 PM


The BB&W
Now that is funny.
First, with all the changes to calendars over the years, what makes you think that what we call Sunday is not Saturday?
Secondly, is your GOD such a little corner lounging pimpdaddy that you really think he would get bent out of shape because folk take Sunday off instead of Saturday?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 89 of 92 (120938)
07-01-2004 6:41 PM
Reply to: Message 88 by Cold Foreign Object
07-01-2004 6:17 PM


Re: Stunning Prophecy Fulfillment
WILLOWTREE writes:
By faith, when we drive our cars, we believe the cross traffic will stop at the red light, and that they will stay in their lanes. This means the driver is acting upon a belief (cars will stop/stay in lane), and this belief is sustained by confidence that opposing traffic will obey the rules.
Only an accident waiting to happen drives by faith. You might as well drive by Braille. There is no more room for Faith in driving than there is in Science.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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