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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Nuggin writes: If someone were to add a new chapter to the Bible, one which had not existed in any previous versions. Would it be accepted by the literalists as true? Much of what literalists accept as "true" is already add-ons. We have some who take their "orthodox" theology from commentaries rather than the Bible. We even have some who get their theology from Kirk Cameron videos. Most of the literalist "understanding" of the first part of Genesis comes from creationist videos, not the Bible. Would literalists accept "new" theology from extra-Biblical sources? Of course. Would they "add" it to the Bible? No. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
What makes you think there's any difference between a skeptic and a truth seeker?
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ReformedRob writes: The very fact that you are aware of the different cannons is evidence that nothing is lost. Non sequitur. There could be lots of stuff that was lost and therefore isn't in any of the canons.(Note spelling if "canons".) Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ReformedRob writes: If something has been lost or even left out when it shouldnt be, then it should be demonstrated.... Now that's just silly. If a book or a chapter is missing, how can it be demonstrated? Look for evidence of torn-out pages? You're claiming that absolutely positively nothing has ever gone missing from the Bible. That's like walking into Wal-Mart and saying, "Nothing has ever been stolen from this store." I'm simply stating the sensible alternative: It is very possible that something has gone missing and you would never know about it. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ReformedRob writes: Let's see, we have 66 books written by 40 authors over a period of a little over 1300 years and you cant find any evidence to back your assertion? Whoa whoa whoa. You're asserting that there are "66 books" and you're complaining about my "assertion"? I'm asking you: How do you know that there weren't originally 67 books? Or 167 books? If you're going to assert that "the Bible" is 100% complete, then you're the one who has to provide evidence. Strictly speaking, this topic is about adding to the Bible, so let's do a suppose. Suppose a shepherd boy is playing in some caves - say near the Dead Sea - and he happens to find a fragment of parchment that says, "The Gospel According to Earl...." How would you decide whether or not to add the Book of Earl to the canon? How would you know whether or not it had been lost for two thousand years? Do you think the Roman Catholics would agree with you and add it to their canon? How about the Rumanian Orthodox? How About the Ethiopian Rosicrucian Stevedorians? In short, how do you know that there are 66 books in "the Bible"? How do you know that not a chapter, not a verse, not a word, not a letter has been lost from any of those books? Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ReformedRob writes: How did we come to have the books in the bible or canon that we do? A worthy question, but that's not the topic. The OP question is:
quote: So, if a "lost" book, chapter, etc. was found, how would you decide if it was authentic? Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ReformedRob writes: it's not just a lost chapter but could include a lost book as well. Well, you've been denying vehemently that anything could be missing. In my very first post to you in this thread, Message 40, I said:
quote: If you agree with me now, I'll ride off into the sunset and leave the rest of them to feed on your carcass. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ReformedRob writes: the tests I have mentioned have been applied many times to authenticate the canon and text we have in the Bible today. So there's no possibility of ever finding any lost fragments, and even if we do, we have your instructions on how to handle them. I guess the topic is finished then. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ReformedRob writes: There is no credible evidence to suppose otherwise. On the contrary, there is no credible evidence to suppose that your magic "66 books" are all there is. Once again, Wal-Mart. You're claiming that everything that was ever in Wal-Mart is still in Wal-Mart. Nothing can ever be added, nothing taken away. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ReformedRob writes: I suppose the ongoing 200+ year old debate in the schools of Higher Criticism have no application then and are useless? Pay attention: There is no one canon. Whatever application the schools of Higher Criticism may have, they have not settled on one "Bible". Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ReformedRob writes: What I said is obviously an obscure minority view that has not been scrutinized for 1800+ years. Yes. Thanks for conceding that. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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