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jar
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Message 50 of 292 (267527)
12-10-2005 12:16 PM
Reply to: Message 48 by purpledawn
12-10-2005 5:35 AM


Re: Witness Lee
Yes, the Recovery Bible is the book of Watchman Nee and Witness Lee. Like our JW and LDS members, it's a somewhat unorthodox version of Christianity.

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jar
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Message 52 of 292 (267883)
12-11-2005 8:21 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by jaywill
12-11-2005 8:13 PM


Re: Witness Lee
First it looks like you have misread what I said. No where did I say it was heritical, simply unorthodox. And as to the teachings of Witness Lee or Watchman Lee being unorthodox, the fact that you have been unable to convince any of us of any of your interpretations stands in support.

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jar
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Message 55 of 292 (267889)
12-11-2005 8:58 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by jaywill
12-11-2005 8:51 PM


Re: Witness Lee
In the Garden in Genesis there were two significant trees - the tree of the knowledge of good and evil and the tree of life.
Some people say that the tree of life simply represented human immortality. This, I submit, is superficial. Adam had no reason to die other than for the cause of eating of the tree of the knowledgeof good and evil. He was created with an immortal life. If so then what could the tree of life signify?
The tree of life signified the life of God. And to eat of the tree of life was for God to dispense His own uncreated divine life into man to produce a man who was united and mingled with God.
Jesus Christ in the New Testament is the genuine man who is at once the human life and the divine life united, blended, mingled, and incorporated together. Therefore Christ really represents what God intended by human being.
Adam never partook of this tree of life but was excluded from doing so.
This is a theological rather than a scientific study. (Though I have been persuaded of the historical authenticity of the account).
Can anyone see how the tree of life represents God imparting Himself into man's life to produce a union of God and man?
Having read the Genesis accounts I see no support for your interpretation.
This message has been edited by jar, 12-11-2005 07:59 PM

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jar
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Message 58 of 292 (267899)
12-11-2005 9:27 PM
Reply to: Message 56 by jaywill
12-11-2005 9:10 PM


Re: The Tree of Life and the City and Wife of Christ
Cute. Quote mining is always a fun game.
But your interpreations of the Trees in Genesis still seem to have no support or basis. The Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil mean simply that, the ability to know right from wrong. The Tree of Life meant immortality. Simply that.
Eating the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil did not bring Sin or disobedience into the world, else the fruit would never have been eaten, only the ability to tell that disobedience was wrong.
Adam and Eve were not immortal or GOD was a fool for planting a Tree of Life, and it was not a choice between two "Trees of Life".
Sorry, there is simply no Biblical support that I can see for any of your assertions.

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jar
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Message 59 of 292 (267900)
12-11-2005 9:28 PM
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12-11-2005 9:17 PM


Re: Witness Lee
LOL
Yes, I definitely see your theology as unorthodox. Many believe the same of what I believe.

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jar
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Message 62 of 292 (267919)
12-11-2005 10:17 PM
Reply to: Message 61 by jaywill
12-11-2005 9:59 PM


Yet another fundie that simply falls back on misrepresentation.
Child, I will try to speak slowly and use little words so that you can understand.
I never said that the Recovery Bible was unothodox. I said YOUR theology was unorthodox. Please stop misrepresenting what I said.
I quote your OP in my response and said that I could find no Biblical support for your interpretation.
And you still have no proof that what I am writing is what a footnote says in the RcV.
Big whoopie child. I never claimed that it was a footnote from BiblesRUs or whatever the latest incarnation of LivingSpirt is called.
Frankly, I don't think you even have a clue what unorthodox means, so conversation with you seems about as pointless as with most fundies.
As to when sin enter the Garden in the fable, it was always there. Had it not been, Eve would never have eaten the fruit. All that the fruit did was allow mankind to know that what they had done was disobedience. It was after the fact. The capability to disobey was there long before or the plot of the fable would not have worked.
This is likely my last response to you. Others reading the thread can read what I have said, and what you have said, and make their own judgement.

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jar
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Message 65 of 292 (267929)
12-11-2005 10:28 PM
Reply to: Message 64 by jaywill
12-11-2005 10:26 PM


You are right
I apologize.
I did not mean to refer to the Recovery Bible but to your theology as has been presented in the threads where you have posted. Please accept this correction.

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jar
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Message 76 of 292 (268161)
12-12-2005 12:44 PM
Reply to: Message 74 by ringo
12-12-2005 10:09 AM


Nothing else that God created during the "six days" was immortal. Why man?
Actually, Genesis is very clear about mankind being created mortal. I don't see how there can be any doubt about that. In fact, GOD even says just that when he chases Adam & Eve out of the Garden.
The expulsion from the Garden was not only because they had eaten from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil (that had already been dealt with through the curse), but out of a fear that mankind would soon eat of the Tree of Life and live forever.
Genesis 3:22
And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
Notice "and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:"
If mankind had been created immortal, that statement would make no sense.

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Message 177 of 292 (277727)
01-10-2006 11:29 AM
Reply to: Message 176 by jaywill
01-10-2006 9:41 AM


Re: A Vine is not a Tree
Not only are we quote mining here, actively selecting even parts of a sentence and taking stuff out of context, we are being selective in which version and translation is used. In Ezekeil 15 the point is that the vine is pretty much useless for anything except tinder. You can burn it in a fire, but that's about it. It cannot be used for building, cannot be used to make pegs.
To use Ezekeil 15 to compare Jesus to a vine is to say that Jesus is only tinder, and not even very good at that.
Ezekeil 15 is pretty short, so here it is in it's entirety for folk to read from the NIV.
Ezekiel 15
Jerusalem, A Useless Vine
1 The word of the LORD came to me: 2 "Son of man, how is the wood of a vine better than that of a branch on any of the trees in the forest? 3 Is wood ever taken from it to make anything useful? Do they make pegs from it to hang things on? 4 And after it is thrown on the fire as fuel and the fire burns both ends and chars the middle, is it then useful for anything? 5 If it was not useful for anything when it was whole, how much less can it be made into something useful when the fire has burned it and it is charred?
6 "Therefore this is what the Sovereign LORD says: As I have given the wood of the vine among the trees of the forest as fuel for the fire, so will I treat the people living in Jerusalem. 7 I will set my face against them. Although they have come out of the fire, the fire will yet consume them. And when I set my face against them, you will know that I am the LORD. 8 I will make the land desolate because they have been unfaithful, declares the Sovereign LORD."
and from the KJV.
Ezekiel 15
1And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
2Son of man, what is the vine tree more than any tree, or than a branch which is among the trees of the forest?
3Shall wood be taken thereof to do any work? or will men take a pin of it to hang any vessel thereon?
4Behold, it is cast into the fire for fuel; the fire devoureth both the ends of it, and the midst of it is burned. Is it meet for any work?
5Behold, when it was whole, it was meet for no work: how much less shall it be meet yet for any work, when the fire hath devoured it, and it is burned?
6Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; As the vine tree among the trees of the forest, which I have given to the fire for fuel, so will I give the inhabitants of Jerusalem.
7And I will set my face against them; they shall go out from one fire, and another fire shall devour them; and ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I set my face against them.
8And I will make the land desolate, because they have committed a trespass, saith the Lord GOD.
The verse is even titled: "Jerusalem, A Useless Vine" in the NIV, so the intent, even at the time of writing, was that a vine is pretty worthless.

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