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Topic: fulfilled prophecy - specific examples.
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jar
Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 74 of 262 (440594)
12-13-2007 7:33 PM
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Reply to: Message 73 by jaywill
12-13-2007 7:30 PM
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The Human House of God is not the topic
The topic is "fulfilled prophecy - specific examples". Is there any chance you will address the topic?
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jar
Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 76 of 262 (440600)
12-13-2007 7:49 PM
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Reply to: Message 75 by jaywill
12-13-2007 7:39 PM
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Re: The Human House of God is not the topic
Any chance you'll admit that Jesus prophesied concerning Himself that if they destroyed Him He would be raised up again in three days? Not unless you present the supporting verses. If you are talking about the John 2 material it is addressed already. see Message 69. Any chance you will present an example of fulfilled prophecy?
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jar
Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 85 of 262 (440709)
12-14-2007 9:20 AM
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Reply to: Message 79 by jaywill
12-13-2007 11:20 PM
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Re: The Human House of God is not the topic
If you want to take that position, it only means that it was a failed prophecy. The point of Prophecy is that it is a message sent by God for the use of those people living at the time it is given. To be successful it must be before the fact, and must also be understood. This is a classic example of either a failed prophecy or one that is made up after the fact. Take your pick.
I use it because it is a very important one and is quite central to the Bible. Bullshit jaywill. Whether Jesus death and resurrection were prophesied or not is totally irrelvant.
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jar
Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 95 of 262 (440960)
12-15-2007 4:41 PM
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Reply to: Message 94 by jaywill
12-15-2007 4:37 PM
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Try addressing the topic
Any chance you might actually address the topic instead of bringing up more irrelevant nonsense? In case you missed it the topic is "fulfilled prophecy - specific examples."
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jar
Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 108 of 262 (441083)
12-16-2007 12:07 PM
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Reply to: Message 104 by IamJoseph
12-16-2007 3:43 AM
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Re: A GUIDE FOR THE PERPLEXED.
The exact quote which I gave was 'WE WILL NEVER SUPPORT THE RETURN OF THE JEWS TO THEIR HOMELAND BECAUSE THEY REJECTED JESUS'. This is an exact paraphrase [nothing wrong in that] of what I include here from that post. Also, the link I provided you should open at this exact para, it does for me. I am texting exactly, by reading it, as it is not copy friendly: No, a paraphrase is NOT a quote. No, you are NOT texting exactly. It was not a WWII Pope. And even in what you allege you quote from the book in Message 104 is NOT what is actually there but rather portions of what is actually said with your own editorial comments inserted. Finally it is not even a direct quote from Herzl's diary but rather a report by yet another person. But even beyond that, it involves a Pope in 1903 who clearly say that the RCC could never stop a Jewish return but would not sanction it. All your crap about genocide is simply your own personal ranting and was NOT in the section you misquoted.
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jar
Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 112 of 262 (441115)
12-16-2007 1:06 PM
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Reply to: Message 109 by IamJoseph
12-16-2007 12:25 PM
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Re: A GUIDE FOR THE PERPLEXED.
You simply did not provide at anytime quotes. Paraphrasing is not quoting and adding editorial comment is also not acceptable in a quote. In addition your misidentifying the source and also misrepresenting what later Popes did has been noted. Sorry but your credibility is somewhat less than zilch.
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jar
Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 114 of 262 (441259)
12-16-2007 10:12 PM
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Reply to: Message 113 by IamJoseph
12-16-2007 10:02 PM
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Re: A GUIDE FOR THE PERPLEXED.
Shall I emulate you and demand where I said 'quote': I think not, my credibility would not allow me to. Good, because I would have to supply examples such as
IaJ writes: The exact quote which I gave was 'WE WILL NEVER SUPPORT THE RETURN OF THE JEWS TO THEIR HOMELAND BECAUSE THEY REJECTED JESUS'. from Message 104 and others.
Hopefully, you can see why the EU does what it does at the UN regards Israel, and that there is a critical shortage of a 'good european majority' to correct such nototorious Popes beatifying themselves for mass murder. I'm sorry but that is just another totally false assertion. Please provide the exact data on the "Popes beatifying themselves for mass murder". Second. please provide the evidence of exactly what the EU does at the UN and what the hell that has to do with Popes. Do you ever plan on addresssing the topic which is "fulfilled prophecy - specific examples"?
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jar
Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 116 of 262 (441293)
12-17-2007 12:02 AM
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Reply to: Message 115 by IamJoseph
12-16-2007 11:49 PM
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More lying for Jesus?
jar writes: I'm sorry but that is just another totally false assertion. Please provide the exact data on the "Popes beatifying themselves for mass murder". IaJ, quit dancing and provide the data. Do you even know what Beatification is? Are you really so ignorant that you think someone can Beatify themselves? Since you have been shown to have no credibility on ANYTHING you say, is there any reason anyone should believe anything you say about Christianity?
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jar
Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Will you ever gat anything right?
IaJ, quit dancing and provide the data. Do you even know what Beatification is? Are you really so ignorant that you think someone can Beatify themselves? Since you have been shown to have no credibility on ANYTHING you say, is there any reason anyone should believe anything you say about Christianity?
IaJ writes: I know for sure that Isabela was no Saint. Yet America was discovered as a response to the mass murder and deportation of 1000s of Jews and others who were not of the same belief, while simultainiously barring the jews return to their land: this is mass murder. I do see America being sanctioned as a response, and that Columbus and his ship mapsters on board, all Jewish and who already numerously made their intended journey to India before, aught not to have got lost: but did they?! I'm sorry but that is simply a stream of nonsense, not even jabberwocky. Now provide the data. What is Beatification? What is the process for Beatification? List the Popes that have been Beatified. Please show which ones Beatified themselves. IamJoseph, your posts are simply an embarrassment to Christianity.
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jar
Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 124 of 262 (441396)
12-17-2007 1:00 PM
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Reply to: Message 123 by IamJoseph
12-17-2007 12:47 PM
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Re: Will you ever gat anything right?
The differences between beatification and saintly hood is hardly the issue here. The point is only, that a person who did great evils, is accorded a status of great esteem, whether ritually or otherwise designated. You do not address the point made, and demand technicality in the irrelevent. The point is you make false assertion after false assertion and when you are called on it you try to change the subject. You have been shown to make up things and then claim they are quotes as well as making absolutely stupid assertions like someone can beatify themselves.
IaJ writes: Hopefully, you can see why the EU does what it does at the UN regards Israel, and that there is a critical shortage of a 'good european majority' to correct such nototorious Popes beatifying themselves for mass murder. in Message 113 You simply have NO Credibility on anything.
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jar
Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 131 of 262 (442834)
12-22-2007 7:00 PM
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Reply to: Message 130 by PaulK
12-22-2007 6:44 PM
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Re: You can always doubt if you really want to.
It will be interesting to see if jaywill can come up with an example of a clear prophecy of Jesus death and resurrection that was written before the fact.
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jar
Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 178 of 262 (444673)
12-30-2007 10:07 AM
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Reply to: Message 171 by IamJoseph
12-30-2007 2:59 AM
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Re: Number 9, Number 9, Number 9...
My usage was correct, with or w/o quotes, with no alternative meaning. As it is, I never used the word quote, but had I done that, it would still be fine, having accurately paraphrased it. Bullshit IaJ. When you place something in quotes followed by an attribution it is a quote. In Message 155 you said:
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'JEWS BELONG IN PALESTINE BY THEIR RIGHTS, NOT THEIR SUFFERINGS' - Churchill.
The quotation marks are there, the attribution is there, it is a quote. IaJ, time after time at EvC you have been found to misrepresent truth, falsify data, misquote people and continue to repeat things that have been shown to be wrong. Whether talking about history or the Bible, the pattern is the same. Is there any reason anyone should believe anything you say?
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jar
Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 179 of 262 (444676)
12-30-2007 10:17 AM
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Reply to: Message 174 by IamJoseph
12-30-2007 4:26 AM
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IaJ and the realm of misrepresentation.
Of note here also, the term Palestinians was at this time exclusively applied to Jews. Bullshit IaJ. Palestinian was used to refer to someone of ANY religion living in (guess where) Palestine. Here is the text of the Balfour Declaration.
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Foreign Office,
November 2nd, 1917. Dear Lord Rothschild, I have much pleasure in conveying to you, on behalf of His Majesty's Government, the following declaration of sympathy with Jewish Zionist aspirations which has been submitted to, and approved by, the Cabinet: "His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country". I should be grateful if you would bring this declaration to the knowledge of the Zionist Federation. Yours sincerely
Arthur James Balfour
Also note that the term "National Home" and not "State" was used. There is no intent for Jews to create a separate Nation State in the Balfour Declaration.
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jar
Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 183 of 262 (444881)
12-31-2007 9:36 AM
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Reply to: Message 182 by IamJoseph
12-31-2007 12:01 AM
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Re: IaJ and the realm of misrepresentation.
The name Palestinian predates the Balfour, and was resurrected by Rome, exclusively upon the Jews. I guess you are talking about another Planet? Which has nothing to do with my post.
No sir. 'NATIONAL HOMELAND' is nothing else but a sovereign state. Sorry but you are once again simply making shit up. What is so amazing is I actually posted the content of the Balfour Declaration in Message 179 that you are currently responding to. Please point out where the term 'NATIONAL HOMELAND' is found?
And there was no muslim Pals at this time [fact] till Arafat emerged. of co, I am referring to the 3rd rock from the sun only. I'm sorry but that is more of your bullshit. Saladin was a Muslim Palestinian and there were many Muslims living in Palestine. Further, the Balfour Declaration specifically states " ...it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine...".
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jar
Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 186 of 262 (445026)
12-31-2007 10:35 PM
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Reply to: Message 185 by IamJoseph
12-31-2007 10:18 PM
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Re: IaJ and the realm of misrepresentation.
The UN has NOTHING to do with the Balfour Decision, did not even exist at that time.
I answered correctly: NH = soveriegn state [no other meaning pos]. I'm sorry but you did not say NH but rather National Homeland. Trying to pretend you said something else is simply dishonest. I even connected you to Message 179 where I posted the FULL content of the Balfour Declaration. I will repeat it here in case you missed it.
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Foreign Office,
November 2nd, 1917. Dear Lord Rothschild, I have much pleasure in conveying to you, on behalf of His Majesty's Government, the following declaration of sympathy with Jewish Zionist aspirations which has been submitted to, and approved by, the Cabinet: "His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country". I should be grateful if you would bring this declaration to the knowledge of the Zionist Federation. Yours sincerely
Arthur James Balfour
Please point out where the Balfour Declaration mentions a National Homeland. Please point out where it specifies a Jewish State? Please point out where non-Jews living in Palestine are not considered Palestinians? IamJoseph, why should anyone believe anything you say when time after time, thread after thread, issue after issue you are shown to misrepresent the truth? Edited by jar, : appalin spallin
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