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crashfrog
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Message 288 of 300 (323056)
06-18-2006 9:48 PM
Reply to: Message 286 by Faith
06-18-2006 9:36 PM


Overall, specialization does lead to this reduced genetic variability, which doesn't fit well with the ToE. But others have insisted I'm wrong about this
Is that really how you remember it? I mean, seriously?

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crashfrog
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Message 291 of 300 (323063)
06-18-2006 10:52 PM
Reply to: Message 289 by Faith
06-18-2006 10:18 PM


Yes that is how I remember it.
It's just kind of funny, is all. The way it actually happened was like this - everybody agreed that allopatric speciation caused a reduction in diversity in both populations, as you've maintained. But it was repeatedly pointed out that this was not an obstacle for evolutionary theories because mutation was sufficient by itself to, over time, overcome the initial loss of diversity. And, indeed, this is borne out by both the fossil record and the genetic record, which describe an overarching tendancy of increasing diversity of living things.
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crashfrog
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Message 294 of 300 (323075)
06-18-2006 11:27 PM
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06-18-2006 11:11 PM


I don't remember that "everybody" agreed with me by a long shot
I don't remember a single person who disagreed that the form of speciation you were referring to constituted a reduction in the diversity of both populations. Maybe that's just my memory, though.
And the proofs that mutation would overcome this decrease were either not convincing or over my head and just a kind of snow job.
Ah, yes. Well, you wouldn't be a creationist if you were willing to admit that there might be aspects of the study of the natural world that would be beyond your expertise.

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