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Yaro
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Message 49 of 75 (85806)
02-12-2004 1:37 PM
Reply to: Message 44 by CreationMan
02-12-2004 1:02 PM


Re: chikens
CreationMan,
I think you are missunderstanding how evolution works. The distinction between 'kinds' is a man made one. The variation between life on earth is not so much a grupe of hard catagories, but rather a gradation of change over time.
Consider this analogy:
Now, at which point does red end and yellow begin? Life, and its diversity on earth is like the colors on the spectrum. Slight, infinitisimal, variations build up till the organisim is compleatly different from where it came from.
Thus, to us it may seem like, "hey the mouse is still a mouse, so what if it turned brown!". Well, you have to think of it like that color spectrum, overtime that small change into brown will lead to other changes, maybe it gets bigger, grows larger ears, gets bigger eyes, etc. And before you know it, thousands of years later, you got a new kind of critter all together.
With this in mind, consider:
Like the color spectrum, I would ask you, where does squirl end and a whole new critter begin?
Hope that helped!
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Yaro
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Message 53 of 75 (85813)
02-12-2004 1:51 PM
Reply to: Message 48 by CreationMan
02-12-2004 1:33 PM


Let's say those examples are the genome. The info in the genome will NOT gradually change over some LOOOOOOOOONG period of time into what it needs. The longer the time the (and this is the key) WORSE it's going to get.
You are makeing the mistake of assuming that evolution has a goal, and that there is a Better or Worse to begin with. It is not like a cake, we are not expecting the ingredients to make a cake, but guess what, the ingredients in the bowl are makeing something!
Same way with evolution. The ingridients are mixing, that's all thats going on. There is no particular goal in mind.
What affects the variation of life, and it's continued viability, is the influence of the environment. i.e. natural selection.
Someone once compared it to water in a puddle. The puddle gives the watter it's shape, get it?
Better or worse are not applicable terms, since there is no such thing in nature. Life simply adapts to fit it's changing environment and circumstances.
PS How do you put someone elses quote in those little blue boxes in your reply?
Type {qs} before the quote and {/qs} at the end of the quote, only using
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Yaro
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Message 55 of 75 (85818)
02-12-2004 1:57 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by CreationMan
02-12-2004 1:47 PM


Yes I understand. But you are showing me an example or model (color spetrum) that you are starting with and then apllying it to evolution.
Start with SCIENCE and then see if you can make the application. (BTW) on the color spectrum example? What are all those? Colors. What did you start with? Colors. What did you end up with? Colors. I would like to see an example of you starting with a color Spectrum and ending up with Crayola Crayons.
No one would expect crayola crayons. You obviously didn't understand my example at all.
Let me phrase it like you do:
You start out with life, you get life. Understand?
Nature makes no disticnction between reptiles, bacteria, or lizards, they are all kinds of life just like the various colors.
Your Squirl. You started with a squirl, you ended up with a squirl. I want to see an example of you starting with a squirl, and ending up with a chimpanzee.
Then I am sorry to disapoint you, but you are never going to have that result. However, given sufficient time, who is to say that a flying squirl wont become a bat-like creature, neither squirl, or bat? Heck I have trouble calling it a squirl now.
Again, where does squirl end and another critter begin? That flying squirl really bears little resemblance to its relative, the squirl classification is mearly a human one, nature dosn't care.

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Yaro
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Message 57 of 75 (85820)
02-12-2004 2:03 PM
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02-12-2004 2:01 PM


I agree admin, creation man, if you would like to discuss this further, I would be happy to.
Please open up a new thread, and let me know.

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