Expectations For The New Obama Democrat Government

US propaganda.

Hi Buz, I've been to Wyoming, you know whats a fun thing to do there, pack up and get the fuck out. The place is a bit backwards my friend. I see you are in NY, im sure its not the city though, right? With all them queers and shit! You're not really falling for this propaganda are you? You are just instigating right?Could I take a stab at guessing your age? +60? Well, where are they coming from do you suppose? Do you suspect a few may be leaving Wyoming and heading for NY? Perhaps to go on websites and pretend not to be one of those 'gays'? So let me get this straight, its the fall of the conservative pundits that will usher in the return of Christ? Damn, I must have read past that part in the Bible. Could you quote chapter and verse for me? Is it in the O'Reilly revelation? Lonely? You get more attention than a street hooker, are you serious? Now, that not many share your view may be telling you something. That figures!Now I get it Buz, you're having a senior moment. Well sit down and relax and drink some warm tea, we're sorry there's a darky in the White House, I know you never thought you'd live to see the day but, well, maybe you shouldn't have. Wow, wtf?! Are you serious? What did you do in Wyoming, were you the Grand Wizard of some group? How about oppressed Africans, just in case there are a few oppressd 'whities' in there... Well if nothing else for some good comic relief. Edited by onifre, : No reason given.

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"All great truths begin as blasphemies""I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks"I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky

Perhaps another senior moment? Get the glasses out grandpa, maybe your whole issue has been the wrong presciption, maybe thats why you can't see a bar bend in space!!! LOLJust had to bring that back. Btw, please feel free to blast out anything you think of, as a comic I gotta tell you, you are comedy gold my friend!

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"All great truths begin as blasphemies""I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks"I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky

Oh, im sure we'll do fine. No president has ever let us down. lolUrban comics are going to have alot of material now though. Well, there's always O'Reilly and the FoxNews comedic dream team. Those guys are always blasting off at the mouth with some dumbass comment.

I thought McCain had him tucked away somewhere and was going to unveil him a week before the election, claiming to have personally caught him himself. , good one. Naw man, it's easy enough to get, and it makes it special for those who can get it. Fuck the rest, I don't like to share. Plus then the government will have it's greedy hands in it and will probably control the THC levels. Then we'll just get some cheap ass comercial grade government weed that tastes like oregano. No thanks. Keep it illegal, keep it underground, keep it out of government control.Exception being for medical reasons.

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"All great truths begin as blasphemies""I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks"I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky

This is a cool thing your government did. They realize the ridiculousness of persecuting people for smoking a plant. The smell must be amazing, lucky you my "Dutch" friend. Yeah, we call them "Public High Schools" here in the US. With success comes rewards, right? "Free market", isn't that the name of the game? Take it while you can till they don't let you? Yes they could, then they could buy government issued Aston Martin DB9s. They'll do this at first. Once they eliminate every mom and pop operation, and they are the only ones who are making it, they'll lower the levels till it's crap, and raise the prices till it's all profit for them and none of the quality for us. Whos team are you on anyways, do you work for the government, or do you just want them to profit more? lolEdited by onifre, : spelling

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"All great truths begin as blasphemies""I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks"I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky

I think we're both making assumptions. For us to be wrong there would have to be a right. Since no right way can be pointed to, even your idea is still an assumption of what the government would do. This may be ok for tabacco and alcohol but for pot it may be different since there is a current stigma about pot and those who use it. It may be legalized under the conditions that the THC levels are lowered. You do realize that most of the big movers are from other contries, except for California, even though many Mexican pot growers are there too. Other than those the rest is mostly local growers, who probably wouldn't trust the government to begin with.I doubt that this government will allow South American pot growers, who they are currently battling with, to take over growing on US soil. However, maybe they would be cool with it, I don't know. I just think with the current opinion of pot, if it would be legalized it would be with alot of public scrutiny, so much so that the government would have to regulate it and lower the THC levels.

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"All great truths begin as blasphemies""I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks"I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky

I have to admit that I agree with you on this Buz...scary, but I do.The only problem im having is why people keep thinking Obama brings in a new type of foreign policy, why because he's a Democrat? Even during Clinton we did not follow U.N. Security Council rules. We do as we please.The attacks on a Sudan pharmaceutical company and Afghanistan were both in August of 98 during the Clinton admin, the December 98 attacks on Iraq also by Clinton. In the 80s when the Reagan admin bombed Lybia and supported the contras in Nicaragua it was done so with the support of a Democrat controlled Congress. In fact, in Nicaragua the Dem. controlled Congress ignored UN International Laws and instantlly stepped up illegal use of force and made a huge grant to contras aid.The fact of the matter is that threats by the US should not be considered over just because there is a Democrat as president. The US will never listen to the Security Council. The U.N. Charter requires that the Security Council have veto power over the threat or use of force. But, you'll never see that applied to Britain because they are our attack dogs, and not to Israel because they're one of our appendages, but any other country must follow this rule, NOT us though. So, the threat of use of force by the US is no less now than with Bush, or Clinton, or Reagan, or Kennedy, or any president. It still surprises me that people believe every president elect and what they promise during their campaign.You want the threat of US use of force gone? Force the US to allow the Security Council to veto our use of force. If not, then we will always do as we please, Democrat and Republican alike.

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"All great truths begin as blasphemies""I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks"I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky

Hi Dr. Jones,You should have quoted this one too,From "Horned Beast" post *Wow Buz, you would have brought a tear to the eye of the Grand Wizard with that gem.

Ok Straggler forget donations, lets make it a bet involving ridicule, how 'bout if you lose you have to put a poster of GWB and Rush Limbaugh* in your living room for 2 months? However, if Obama is not the extremist Buz thinks of him as, then Buz must put a poster of two gay men kissing in his living room for 2 months? This will disinvolve you both of any illegal activity, and since we will require pictures from the loser, it will be a great source of laughs for those of us here at EvC. What do you say?*Rush could be substituted for Carl Rove or Donald Rumsfeld...(GWB a must though.)

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"All great truths begin as blasphemies""I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks"I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky

lol-no I guess not, but then again Buzs' feelings don't really concern me. Wouldn't it be nice to see a pic of Buz siping his morning coffee under a nice poster of a couple of fellas doing their thing? lol

Lol, yeah I would agree that this may get a reaction further than just forum ridicule.

In whos eyes and by whos standards? By freightened white people who get scared anytime a black person voices their opinion about the horrors of slavery and segregation? If its by your standards then I can tell you first hand from a few friends directly, black people who lived in those times have extreme animosity towards white people who oppressed them, sorry for the shocker.In fact, its the feelings of having to placate to the sensitivity of 'scared white people' that Obama was forced to turn his back on long time friends like Wright. Because if a black person speaks up with animosity he is considered militant, why, because he's not subdued and doesn't know his place?Its the same euphamistic bullshit that is done with the US. If we attack it is a preemptive strike, if they attack its terrorism.

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"All great truths begin as blasphemies""I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks"I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky

Hi Rahvin,I agree with most of your post, however, on this specific statement... ...I think you may be making a bit of a character judgment having not looked at the whole of the situation.Buz, all though he does express feelings of bigotry, is not a bigot IMO. Buz is a faithful follower of a system designed to instill fear and intolerance. Buz has fallen for the propaganda that the media, and the, in this case, republican party, have put forth. To signal out Buz as a bigot does not in anyway deal with the issue as a whole, which is, Why does Buz feel this way? Why would the majority of republicans feel this way about Obama? They don't make this stuff up in their heads, for the most part. They are told this by reliable, or what they consider to be, reliable sources.We must question the system, and see Buz as a by product of a corrupt system of disinformation. Buzs' thoughts are manipulated by media sources. Unfortunatly he has been indoctrinated so deeply into the system that he fails to recognize the deceptive persuation measures that are used to guild his opinion about Obama, homo-sexuals, religious intolerance, etc, etc. This is why an educated conversation on these issues is sometimes impossible, because the issues are divided my party lines and party support supersedes a balanced discussion. The system of propaganda instills these feelings through fear and lies. Same thing that is done in religion.So, I agree that Buz expresses feelings of bigotry but I don't feel that label describes him accurately. To me he is a by product of a system that indoctrinates people and pushes them towards bigoted opinions for the sake of party division and to maintain loyalty amongst its supporters.So, again IMO, instead of dismissing Buz as a crazy bigot, we should look at what means were used to turn Buz into such a person. Was it out of his hands? Are we all guilded to our opinions by outside influences without properly investigating issues? Is this a method of indoctrination that we should ALL be above? Why is every moral issue divided by party lines? Are people even looking at the facts, or are they just siding with their party of choice an any issue?I think we all do this from time to time.IMO Buz is a casualty of bad guildance by people he was told were honest. See Buz, I do kinda feel for you. Edited by onifre, : No reason given.

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"All great truths begin as blasphemies""I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks"I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky

You are absolutely right, its not because you are in the minority that your opinions are considered bigotry, its because your opinions are bigotry that you are in the minority. Buz I think there are safe measures by which to judge someone as a bigot, or that they are making bigoted remarks. That you don't see your remarks as bigotry is perfectly understandable, at least by me, but I would hope that valid arguments can make an impact on ones opinions. If in fact it will for you is unlikely. The media is what it is told to be. The 'media' as an entity is a business. It is guilded like all businesses to make money. The bottom lines is profit. If advertisers see a liberal market they will push for liberal view points and vice versa. The pundits are meaningless, what they spew out of their mouths is read off of a prompter. Most of it is exagerated propaganda to increase ratings and gain more advertisment value. Stories like "Obamas pastuer is an extremist" is just sensationalism. It is just used to catch your attention so you can watch advertisment. Newspapers have become worse because they already lost value with tv, then the internet is kicking their butt, so they really have to compete for your attention and advertisment dollar.So, there is no such thing as an opinionated media, all there is is a media thats willing to do whatever it takes to get your attention and gain more profit. Thats why you should investigate properly the things you hear from them, in fact I would avoid listening to them all together, unless its for pure entertainment. News medias are worthless. They are a big business driving to succeed by any means necessary. Well when it becomes the general consensus that you're sounding like quite the bigot, and if you've had these discussions outside of forums im sure you've heard that term towards you before, then it may be time to check yourself. To realize where you are making your mistakes and man up to being wrong. But, hey, you do and feel however you want to, its your life bro. Just be ready when discussing in an open forum to hear peoples opinions, and yes we are all adults so name calling should be above us...but its not. Hey if you think Obama sucks then good, I think he's going to suck too. As, they all do to some degree. I think he may do some good too, or at least has the potential to do good. Time will tell. These are not the opinions that are making you out to be a bigot. You've attacked his friends as if their opinions are his, his religion as if he was actually a muslim, or as if that even matters, and began to site religious references to the rising of Islam. You never once judged him on the basis of anything other than your religious ideologies.Plus, all of your opinions were just assertions that you picked up from the media. You were shown exactly where you misunderstood and you still don't care. You still believe that the crazy stories you heard on the news are true. In fact not only does that show that you personally are a bigot but, you allow other sources' bigotry to infuence you. You are a politicians dream!Question your sources Buz!Edited by onifre, : grammer, spelling

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"All great truths begin as blasphemies""I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks"I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky