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Topic: Expectations For The New Obama Democrat Government
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Huntard
Member (Idle past 2324 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: 09-02-2008
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Message 5 of 341 (487853)
11-06-2008 1:54 AM
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Reply to: Message 1 by Buzsaw
11-05-2008 9:07 AM
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Right, too bad the topic was lost. So here's my response again. Nice list Buz, if you are trying to parody the fear mongers. But I don't think you are. Let's all keep this list in the back of our heads and see where America stands in a few years time. Will you apologize when you turn out to be wrong Buz? Somehow I doubt it. P.s. I'll try and keep Dread Cthulhu out of this thread 
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Huntard
Member (Idle past 2324 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: 09-02-2008
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Message 8 of 341 (487863)
11-06-2008 7:58 AM
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Reply to: Message 1 by Buzsaw
11-05-2008 9:07 AM
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There is one more thing I would like to comment on.
Buzsaw writes: the agenda of the new far left Obama and Congress Bolding mine. Far left? You have to be kidding me! You do realizs that even with this government, you will STILL be considered on the right of the political spectrum in almost every other nation, don't you?
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Huntard
Member (Idle past 2324 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: 09-02-2008
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Message 12 of 341 (487870)
11-06-2008 8:54 AM
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Reply to: Message 11 by Buzsaw
11-06-2008 8:23 AM
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Re: Far Leftism
Buzsaw writes: Obama, who btw, is rated 4th most liberal member of Congress.
And liberal is bad? In my country, the biggest party on the right of the spectrum refer to themselves as liberals. This is often used against them to point out they are on the RIGHT side. In fact, it were liberals who made our constitution. Where does this notion of someone who's a liberal has to be on the left side of the spectrum come from?
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Huntard
Member (Idle past 2324 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: 09-02-2008
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Re: Repeating history
petrophysics1 writes: In the long run we don't have to worry, Democrat woman kill their offspring at a rate of three times that of Republican woman. In the end we will out populate them.
Care to back that up with actual data? Furthermore, I don't think they're actually killing their children, now are they? I'm pretty sure murder's illegal in the USA. I think you're referring to abortion. Which isn't killing children, it's removing a clump of cells, so there.
It might take some work and some time, but the la-la loonie liberals will lose in the end.
Oh yes, I'm CLEARLY crazy for wanting everyone to enjoy health care.
I can hardly wait to see the responses of the "government is my mommy and daddy" crowd to this post.
The government certainly ISN'T my "mommy and daddy". It should however provide social security for the people it represents. that old "Do unto others" bit I think you might be familiar with.
As an aside, Phat needs Obama, and a mommy and daddy,because I guess he has never grown up.
Nice ad hominem.
Also,do you suppose when Straggler hears an Obama speach he discovers semen running down his leg? I wouldn't be surprised given what I've heard these mindless "ObamaMorons" say.
Somehow I doubt it, seeing as he's from the UK and he strikes me like a pretty rational guy and all. Unlike some of the loony emotion spewers I've seen over on your side.
So Buz, are you going to be an "ObamaMoron", and not worry about having to pay for gas or your mortage because he is going to help you?
I pay for my gas and mortgage, in fact, gas prices here are one of the highest in Europe, I think they should be lowered. And I don't recall Obama promising to pay for them either.
Or will you actually act and think like an adult?
Like you are doing? Then I certainly hope not.
Something greatly missing in this forums participants.
Don't know about the rest of the forum, but there does indeed seem to be something wrong in this post.
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Huntard
Member (Idle past 2324 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: 09-02-2008
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Message 48 of 341 (488117)
11-07-2008 7:40 PM
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Reply to: Message 44 by onifre
11-07-2008 5:42 PM
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Re: Predicts for Obamicts
Onifre writes: Naw man, it's easy enough to get, and it makes it special for those who can get it. Fuck the rest, I don't like to share. Plus then the government will have it's greedy hands in it and will probably control the THC levels. Then we'll just get some cheap ass comercial grade government weed that tastes like oregano. No thanks. Keep it illegal, keep it underground, keep it out of government control.
Well, I just couldn't let this pass. In the Netherlands, weed is technically illegal. But the government, in all its wisdom, decided not to persecute anyone using it or selling it. As a result our THC values are very high, everyone can get it , and the wrong people make money out of it. For example: I live literally 300 yards from a "coffeeshop" (for the uninformed, over here, that's where you get your stuff). Now the owner of this establishment drives an Aston Martin DB9. If the government would only legalize it, they could make a TON of money. The only thing they'd have to look out for is that the THC value doesn't drop too much, since then people will still go to the "wrong people" for their pot. It's a double edged knife, and (if done well) a win win situation for our government. Legalize pot, grow it themselves, but keep it high quality, else people won't buy it, and really rake in the money. Hey, who can blame a guy for dreaming, 
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Huntard
Member (Idle past 2324 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: 09-02-2008
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Message 51 of 341 (488128)
11-07-2008 8:51 PM
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Reply to: Message 50 by onifre
11-07-2008 8:11 PM
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Re: Predicts for Obamicts
This is a cool thing your government did. They realize the ridiculousness of persecuting people for smoking a plant.
It sure is.
The smell must be amazing, lucky you my "Dutch" friend.
Actually, since you can smoke it anywhere you like, I really don't smell much of it.
Yeah, we call them "Public High Schools" here in the US.
With success comes rewards, right? "Free market", isn't that the name of the game? Take it while you can till they don't let you?
Yep, that's it now.
Yes they could, then they could buy government issued Aston Martin DB9s.
Or use the profits to lower taxes on other things.
They'll do this at first. Once they eliminate every mom and pop operation, and they are the only ones who are making it, they'll lower the levels till it's crap, and raise the prices till it's all profit for them and none of the quality for us.
Well, first of all, they aren't really "mom and pop operations" they're pretty much run by criminals. They could try and pull that one off, but as soon as the product starts deteriorating, and the prices go up, be sure the "old" suppliers will pop up again and take over.
Whos team are you on anyways, do you work for the government, or do you just want them to profit more? lol
I guess I think of ideal situations. If the government would legalize pot, it could make so much money that other taxes could be cut, this would lead to more spending, which would lead to an economic boost, which would lead to more government income...and so forth. Perhaps this is all to perfect to hope for, but again, who can blame a guy for dreaming. P.s. I'm not working for the government, I don't even agree with the current government on many issues. Like I said, I try to find an ideal situation. 
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Huntard
Member (Idle past 2324 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: 09-02-2008
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Message 79 of 341 (488249)
11-09-2008 3:26 AM
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Reply to: Message 78 by Buzsaw
11-08-2008 9:00 PM
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Re: Important Question To Answer Here
Buzsaw writes: 1. If my conclusion that Obama is a Sunni Muslim as I understand his father and step father were is correct it may be that his interest is not the building up of a Shea nation to the extent that we are engaged in.
Which of course is NOT correct, as has been pointed out to you.
2. Imo, Obama intends to eventually undermine Israel as a major power in the region. So long as we are in Iraq with air bases there, committed to protect Israel, Israel will continue to be a hindrance to Obama's ambitions of a subdued Israel to effect total Muslim dominance in the region.
Wow, I'm sure he commented on this fact in his speeches or one of his books. Oh wait, he didn't. Please provide evidence that he intends to do this. Take note, I said evidence, not speculation.
3. I believe Obama wants the US out of Iraq to undermine the Shea majority there and allow a Sunni return to power via civil war. I'm open to correction on this view. It's just my take on how I see it.
I guess we'll have to wait to see. Though, again, he didn't mention this at all, at any time.
4. Al Qaeda is likely nervous about Obama's statements relative to Afghanistan, though likely if additional troops are sent to Afghanistan, I'm not sure how it will affect Al Qaeda which I believe is Sunni. Perhaps Obama's policy relative to additional troops in Afghanistan with him as Commander In Chief will serve to build up and entrench Sunni interests and infrastructure there with America's tax $$ as we have done for the Sheas of Iraq. Al Qaeda, like Shea Hezbolah may or may not benefit in the end.
Of course he wants to give dollars to terrorists, didn't he say so in his acceptance speech. I believe it went something like this: "And I vow to sponsor the people who want to destroy me and my counrty, i also will..." Oh wait, again, NO HE DIDN'T. Will you stop pulling these ridiculous claims out of thin air and actually provide some evidence for them. Though I guess that's a bit too much to ask.
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Huntard
Member (Idle past 2324 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: 09-02-2008
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Message 91 of 341 (488279)
11-09-2008 1:19 PM
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Reply to: Message 84 by Buzsaw
11-09-2008 11:29 AM
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Re: AMERICA'S STEALTH PRESIDENT
Buzsaw writes: Comment on this in his speeches? Are you kidding? He's no dummy. Why would he do that? He purposefully stated in at least one speech that some of his ambitions would not be realized in his first term as President. His is a long term stealth plan. OBAMA, AMERICA'S FIRST STEALTH CANDIDATE, WILL BE AMERICA'S 1ST STEALTH PRESIDENT!
Then how come you know his plans? If they can't be found anywhere, how do you know with so much certainty that those are his plans? And if they can be found, why did no one else find them?
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Huntard
Member (Idle past 2324 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: 09-02-2008
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Message 116 of 341 (488339)
11-10-2008 3:03 AM
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Reply to: Message 104 by Buzsaw
11-09-2008 8:11 PM
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Re: AMERICA'S STEALTH PRESIDENT
Buzsaw writes: Most who voted for him don't know beans about his ambitions/plans or just don't care. Stealth requires research and study.
Please show the results of this study. Again, evidence please, no assertions.
You go by the givens, i.e. his speeches, and other communication, his history, his associates, his mentors, and the other givens in his life, such as his Muslim heritage.
NONE of which point to what you are claiming. And for the umpteenth time now, he's NOT a Muslim. Not that that would matter anyway.
There's plenty of it out there for verification.
Then please produce it.
Some, of course, is false or unverifiable. You itemize what is credible and go figure.
And how do you determine what is credible? You go with your gut feeling? Or do you actually search for supporting evidence.
Hunter, your signature says you hunt for truth.
It sure does.
If that's the case why are you going at this with your eyes closed?
I'm not.
Did you bother to link into the UTUBE sites which I cited?
As a matter of fact I did, and they are ALL assertions. NOT ONE provided actual evidence for what they claimed.
It appears that either you haven't yet learned how and where to find truth or that you really don't want to acknowledge the truth.
Like I said, I have indeed not seen ANY evidence for what you claim for Obama, that is why I asked you to provide it, please do so.
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Huntard
Member (Idle past 2324 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: 09-02-2008
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Message 121 of 341 (488379)
11-10-2008 1:51 PM
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Reply to: Message 120 by onifre
11-10-2008 1:47 PM
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Re: Important Question To Answer Here
Although a nice proposal, I don't think that Straggler will find a poster of Bush & Co. in his living room quite as revolting as Buz will find a poster of 2 gay men kissing. So it's not really a fair comparison, now is it?
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Huntard
Member (Idle past 2324 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: 09-02-2008
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Re: Important Question To Answer Here
Straggler writes: A picture of Bill Clinton and Obama in a manly (but very heterosexual!!) embrace?
Yes, that seems to be a better one.
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Huntard
Member (Idle past 2324 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: 09-02-2008
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Message 166 of 341 (488823)
11-18-2008 7:13 AM
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Reply to: Message 162 by Buzsaw
11-17-2008 10:40 PM
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Re: Obama's First Act To Aid Global Terror
So, am I correct in understanding you WANT people to be tortured and kept in jail without a trial? You do realize I could take your words and show them to other people and claim americans are evil because of all the stuff you are saying, don't you? Oh, and just to be clear, I won't do that, because I know there are MANY americans who disagree with you. Further:
Buzsaw writes: This just lends support my contention that Obama will work to advance Islam, undercut the war against Jihad and as his militant and totalitarian Muslim supporters around the world consider to be the case.
Because closing an illegal detainment centre is just that, isn't it.
Closing the base at Gitmo serves no purpose but to consolidate the ruthless Communist regime on that Island and to advance global Jihad terror.
Lucky for us then the base stays open. Oh, and when was the last time the us actually did ANYTHING for the "poor people of Cuba" by acting through their base there?
It figures in with Obama's close associates in his past which is both socialist and Islam.
Which are , of course, figments of your imagination. And socialism ISN'T a bad thing, when will you get that fact? Neither is Islam, by the way.
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Huntard
Member (Idle past 2324 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: 09-02-2008
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Message 170 of 341 (488831)
11-18-2008 10:35 AM
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Reply to: Message 168 by Buzsaw
11-18-2008 9:09 AM
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Re: Obama's First Act To Aid Global Terror
Buzsaw writes: If you consider water boarding, interrogation of terrorist Jihadists by a woman, non-life threatening deprivation of meals on occasions of interrogation and lowering cell temperatures to non-life threatening degrees
Let's see. Waterboarding. Yes Interrogation by a woman. No Non-life threatening deprivation of meals. Depends how far they go with this, so yes or no. Lowering cell temperatures to non-life threatening degrees. Again, depends how far they go, so either yes or no.
for the purpose of obtaining intelligence info so as to protect the US from folks like these who's goal is to destroy America and other civilizations by terror
There is evidence they intended to do this? Please provide it.
yes I Do WAMT these people to be tortured and kept in jail without trial.
What if I lable you a terrorist Buz, and lock you up without trial and do those things to you because I CLAIM you are a danger, would you still agree? I have no problem with some of these things as long as there is evidence for any of the accusations, as long as I don't see that evidence however, I will protest the treatment of human beings in this way.
That's why these folks are out of our nation; so we won't have to provide them with clever and expensive lawyers who know how to get them released into our population.
So, you're willingly undermining justice, if a normal person does this they get jail time, yet it's ok as long as the government does it? Scary thought there.
Many, if not most of these people left at Gitmo are too dangerous to even release back into their own nations. Furthermore their nations don't want them back.
So you say, do you have any evidence to back that up?
Hunter and friends here, what do you advocate as an alternative to Gitmo for these folks who, like the Islamics who flew innocent citizens of America into the world's two tallest buildings full of innocent Americans for the sole purpose of killing as many of us Americans as possible?
If there is indeed evidence they intend to do this, I'd say it's not that hard to put them in jail through the legitimate means.
Oh, like show them to the Tsunami victims of Indonesia, the earthquake victims, famine millions of Africa, the oppressed women of pre-invasion Afghanistan under ruthless Tali-ban Shari-ah law, etc, etc who have been rescued by the benevolence of evil Americans?
No, I'd show them to the rebels in Iraq, and to Al-qaeda supporters, I think they'll agree with me. My point was to point out anyone can take words and make them mean whatever they want. We need supporting evidence to shape our oppinions. And yes, America has also done a lot of good things for the world.
I'm sure there are, like Bill Ayers, Jeremiah Wright, the Nation of Islam black supremacists, and folks like you who just don't get what evil is.
Actually, I consider those people to not be allright either, but to call them evil is a bit far fetched. Please don't throw me in with that crowd, as my viepoints are quite different from theirs.
Perhaps you would like to open a new topic on Gitmo and itemize precisely what is illegal about it
Since people are being detained there without any evidence for the reasons why, I'd say that's pretty damn illegal.
and why it has been allowed to exist for the purpose of protecting you and me all of these terror-free years during the Bush Admin since 9/11.
So, all those terror free clinton years without Gitmo don't count? As to why it has been allowed to exist, that's because of people like you Buz.
Perhaps you can apprise us all as to how Gitmo has hurt the "poor people" of Cuba who their ruthless government have oppressed and who are denied relief from America because their government forbids it.
I never said it hurt them, I said it doesn't matter whether or not it is there to the people on Cuba. You don't do ANYTHING to help them from that base. You also don't do anything to hurt them. Thus, it doesn't matter if it is there or not to the people of Cuba.
Perhaps also you can tell us all what the host of Cubans who have fled to America to enjoy the good life here due to policies like Gitmo which keeps them safe and keeps Cuba's Communist ruthless totalitarianism at bay from expansion into the US where these Cubans now live in relative prosperity, think of Gitmo.
You seriously believe the ONLY reason communism hasn't spread from Cuba to the USA is GITMO....wow....just wow... And I think they'd be quite indifferent to it, or even opposed to what happens there, as most are Democrat voters.
So the Soviet Socialist Republic of the last century who murdered millions of their own citizens and the Islamic Jihadist doctrine advocated exclusively by Mohammed's Islam religion are good things?
Did I say they were? NO! I said socialism and Islam aren;t bad things. This doesn't mean people take these ideas and rape them into something bad. Europe consists mainly (well entirely looking at it from your viewpoint) of socialist country's, and we suffer here everyday at the hands of....Oh wait we don't, we actually have a very good life here, and don't even have to pay for our healthcare, how completely evil of us. Likewises, Islam is not evil, it's what those idiots rape it into that's evil.
Is that what you want to replace American capitalism and government by representation of the republic/people?
No. Did I ever say I did? However, I do think the government should listen to the people, as it is them they represent.
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Huntard
Member (Idle past 2324 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: 09-02-2008
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Message 175 of 341 (488838)
11-18-2008 12:03 PM
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Reply to: Message 172 by Buzsaw
11-18-2008 11:23 AM
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Re: Be Mindful, My Friends
Buzsaw writes: Be mindful that we're not dealing with US citizens but international terrorists
Terrorists eh? Mind backing that up with evidence. Please Buz, just show me evidence these men have done anything wrong, it'll bring me your way. If they have done something wrong they deserve prison, even some harsh interrogation, but not torture.
who have no legal rights until we should be so stupid as to bring them to our nation's courts, allowing them all of the rights of American citizens.
Again, that's undermining the way justice is supposed to work, and should NOT be done.
These are suicidal time bombs waiting for the opportunity to do the most destruction and genocide possible by expending their very lives.
I hate to keep saying this Buz, but where's your evidence for this?
Be mindful that water boarding is not considered lethal and would only be under very extreme application which out nation has no history of practicing.
It's still considered torture. Something doesn't have to be lethal to be considered torture, in fact it's better when the subject lives for as long as possible.
Be mindful that to close down Gitmo would be a boon to the terrorists and a grave danger to America and the rest of the world.
Like under Clinton, when there was no Gitmo? And please show evidence that this is the case. By the way, you seem to be in on what these terrorists are thinking, perhaps we should "interrogate" you.
Extreme measures would not be out of order in order to obtain valuable information from these people.
Yes they would be, since no evidence is provided they have done anything wrong.
Be mindful that the detainees at Gitmo are, relative to the way Islamist nations treat their captured, treated extremely well
And? They are treated very poorly considering how prisoners are treated in the Netherlands. Which, by the way, I think is is too soft.
well fed and allowed to practice their religion in prison, something a Christian would be killed for in any Islamic prison.
So? They're still not rightfully detained, since no evidence is shown they deserve to be there.
Be mindful that we have released all who are not the worst of the worse and the most deadly enemies of life.
Evidence of this would be....?
Be mindful that these are not official legitimiate army prisoners of war covered under the Geneva prisoner guidelines.
Which is EXACTLY why their treatment is so scandalous, they should be at least treated as that.
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Huntard
Member (Idle past 2324 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: 09-02-2008
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Message 182 of 341 (488861)
11-18-2008 5:50 PM
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Reply to: Message 179 by Buzsaw
11-18-2008 5:05 PM
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Re: Be Mindful, My Friends
Buzsaw writes: Likely 99.9%. Out of all of the thousands who are considered dangerous having been encountered in this global war on terror there are a scanty few of the most dangerous at Gitmo. That's a given.
You're saying that 99.9% of the people at Gitmo have done absolutely nothing wrong? And you STILL support it?
They have no trials.
Which is a travesty.
If they've been shown to be dangerous that's where they are safely detained.
If they can be shown to be dangerous, that means there is evidence of this, and they can be convicted in a court. No need to detain them unlawfully.
In the past when these types are turned over to their own governments they end up escaping or released to kill our troops and others.
Then don't release them to their own governments, bring them to America, or any other country you do trust (that won't be many, if any at all) and have them tried there, if there is evidence, they will be convicted.
This has worked very effectively.
Very effective indeed, there hasn't been a single suicide bomber in Iraq since, oh I don't know, last week? Clear signs it's finally working....
So long as the allies of these detainees know Gitmo exists it remains a deterant for them to get in trouble and end up there.
They most likely never end up there, as they blow themselves up, kinda defeats the point, won't you say?
With no Gitmo, the global terrorists know they can get better treatment in the US courts etc or even be released.
And you don't think EVERYBODY should have a fair trial?
Whatever number of dangerous terrorists is essential to continue protecting America's mainland that's how many and how long they should stay their.
So, this basically means detaining 99.9% innocent people for infinity, basically.
As I stated Geneva guidelines for conventional warfare does not apply.
They should, however.
These are not innocent victims.
You just said 99.9% of them are innocent. So where's the evidence of their guilt?
Why should we be so concerned about the welfare of these terrorists when our troops are risking their lives and giving up their home comforts to kill these types over there.
We don't know they are terrorists, you keep asserting that, where is your evidence for this? And I think your troops have made too great a sacrifice allready.
These folks at Gitmo are lucky Americans have them.
Tell that to them the next time they get waterboarded....
Russia or any of their Islamic rivals would lop their heads off and be done with them after they tortured the life out of them to get confessions or info.
Yes, and we should show ourselves superior by not doing that, and treating them as human beings.
The way you (mostly younger Americans think is scarey.
No Buz, the way YOU think is scary, as it's a direct threat to freedom of ANY individual you care to name as a terrorist, evidence or not.
If you people had your way, our freedoms would be totally gone a long time ago.
Are we projecting? I'm all for a strict and hard punishment for terrorists, as long as they are proven to be so in a court of law, not because someone says they are.
America's younger generations are setting us all up for what happened in Europe last century.
And you just lost the debate, good job there mate. Europe turned out fine didn't it. Yes, you lot helped, thank you for that, but we're still doing a whole lot better in some ways now then you are, personal freedom comes to mind. Though they're trying to take that away as well. I'm going to try to get my point across again. I'm saying that terrorists should be punished SEVERELY for what they are trying to do to other people. However, I want them to be tried in a court of law, this is a right of ANY human being, no matter WHAT he did. If the evidence shows him to be as terrible as everyone says he is, they have my blessing to lock him away for a very long time, if not forever. I'm kinda not feeling very much for death penalty here, but I suppose there are situations in which it could be a possibility. In any case, robbing a human being of his freedom and torturing him is NOT the way to show that you have the moral high ground, and that your values are superior to anyone else's, in fact it does quite the opposite.
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