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Rahvin
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Message 8 of 130 (241367)
09-08-2005 1:47 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by Tal
09-08-2005 1:31 PM


Sex is amoral. From a fundamentalist's point of view,
...and only from a fundamentalist point of view. I don't consider sex amoral.
Sex + monogamous marriage between a man and a woman = the basic family structure.
What about the family structure where the adults simply choose not to have kids, or are physically incapable due to infertility? Are they less of a family becuase of the lack of children?
What about the couples who choose not to marry, but have kids and live together in the same way a married couple would? Are they less of a family becuase they aren't married?
Is the sex outside of marriage bad? No. Are the results of that sex bad? Yes. Premiscuous sex leads to pregnancy, STDs, and negative emotional issues IE guilt, anger etc. Sex within marriage just leads to pregnancy. Yes, there are emotional issues, but they aren't the same.
Promiscuous sex doesn't lead to pregnancy if precautions are taken. STD's happen whether you are monogamous or not - just ask the folks who were infected with AIDS via blood transfusions. Marriage does not act as some magic anti-STD barrier, and neither does monogamy. As for guilt and nager - I'd like to see a single married couple that doesn't get mad at each other or feel guilty about something they did to their loved one every now and again.
Your implied assertion that somehow these things are solely the fault of promiscuity and that marriage is immune to the same things is rediculous.
And that is your opinion, and I have mine. We disagree. I know that telling people to have self control will benefit them in the long run.
Of course you tell people to have self-control. But that's not the issue here. The issue is sex ed, and the fundamentalist avoidance of letting kids know the truth about sex, STDs, contraception and protection, and the general risks of sex itself (whether married and monogamous or not). By opposing sex ed, and not teaching kids about such things, this idiotic mindset actually causes pregnancy and STDs by not helping the kids make better choices. They are going to have sex. You can't stop them. Just teach them the truth and help them protect themselves, and teen pregnancy rates and STD infections will decrease.
"Abstinance only" only works if the kids actually practivce abstinance, and we KNOW that the majority won't.

Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.

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Rahvin
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Message 10 of 130 (241371)
09-08-2005 1:53 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by Tal
09-08-2005 1:35 PM


Re: Sex is sexy
condemns
Freudian slip? hehe
Where I draw the line is that schools should not teach my kids about condoms and promote sexual activity.
Teaching kids about condoms does not teach them to go and have an orgy. Slippery slope fallacy.
Teaching kids about condoms and other forms of protection does tech the kids who will have sex anyway how to protect themselves and prevent the issues of STDs and teen pregnancy. Obviously the parents aren't doing a good enough job, so the scools need to teach it. It's certainly not harmful.
I learned about condoms and STDs and such when I was in high school, and I certainly didn't run off to become a male prostitute or start up an orgy with my classmates. But when I did decide to have sex, I knew how to prevent my girlfriend from getting pregnant, and I knew how to prevent STDs from spreading. I would have had sex either way - but at least this way, I knew how to not screw up my life.

Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.

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Message 15 of 130 (241379)
09-08-2005 2:26 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by Yaro
09-08-2005 2:10 PM


I think Rhavin may have misread you as saying it was imoral. Being moraly wrong.
Not, amoral meaning moraly neutral.
That was the case. Since fudamentalists tend to consider sex to be immoral, I simply read Tal's post wrong.

Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.

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