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robinrohan Inactive Member |
The problem with sexual education in this country is our cultural heritage of puritanism. People are embarrised / ashamed to talk about sex as adults, or to children. I've not noticed too much "puritanism" in our popular culture lately. We might could do with a little.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
Popular culture--tv, movies, etc. From the 60s on. Seems rather unhealthy.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
I agree there is plenty of the naughty There is something to be said for the prude. I, for example, am a prude. Am I ashamed of being a prude? Nope. If one is a prude, one is still capable of being shocked. The immature feel that only a neophyte is shocked. Here they go far wrong, because to be shocked proves that you are still sensitive. And to be insensitive, in my mind, is a very bad thing to be. For example, one might consider--indeed, I consider-a woman's breast to be a great marvel. But if seen too frequently, a woman's breast becomes a gland, and I'm not interested in glands.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
That is just name calling. The truly immature defend their position, by calling someone of an opposite position immature if they state their position. This was not name calling. It was a comment on a well-known quality of human nature. I didn't have anybody particular in mind.
But I do find this an interesting argument if accepted just for sake of debate. So you are against people becoming doctors? I mean all of them train specifically to view breasts as just glands. That is harmful in your opinion? By no means. A doctor is supposed to look at a breast as a gland. A doctor's position is a totally different situation. I'm talking about the prevalence in films, etc. When I go to a movie--say, a mystery--and am treated with the obligatory nude scene, I am disgusted (a prudish reaction). However, I must admit that my reaction is aesthetic rather than moral.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
So would you think that Teen Pregencies were higher or lower after the 1960s? (here's a clue - I had this debate with Faith a little while back and dug out the stats). What stats?
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
it's rude where I go from to answer a question with a question (so you love to lecture me about good manners I think it's only fair that I do the same to you). My most humble apologies, Charles. Answer to your question: I don't know. Now, what stats?
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
The rate of teen childbearing in the United States has fallen steeply since the late 1950s, from an all time high of 96 births per 1,000 women aged 15?19 in 1957 to an all time low of 49 in 2000. Birthrates fell steadily throughout the 1960s and 1970s Good stuff, CK. Of course, the decline in births might have more to do with scientific advancement than culture. There was something that arose about that time called the birth control pill. Thank God for the pill.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
Unless you have some evidence regarding immaturity and that position, I am afraid that really is namecalling. I don't have any studies or stats or anything, but would you agree with this observation? Teenagers (as a whole) want to be perceived as being unshockable.
A doctor sees breasts and trains him or herself to view breasts as glands. Now that is either a good thing or it is not for a person's sexual health (that is what you said). It can't suddenly be good for the doctor's sex life because in other situations he is a doctor. I haven't quizzed any doctors about their sex lives, and the only anecdotal evidence I have would tend to support your view. My wife works for a doctor--a woman's doctor, no less--who has a reputation as a notorious womanizer. However, I don't think that matters to my point, which is that the atmosphere in which a doctor sees a woman's breast is non-sexual and non-romantic, and that makes all the difference. I am speaking of the condition of being jaded, which I do think unhealthy, not just sexually but generally. It is easy to be jaded in the modern world. edit: spelling This message has been edited by robinrohan, 09-09-2005 02:30 PM
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
I'm not talking about strip clubs and sexual gratuity But that's what I'm talking about, partly. I agree that if I grew up with a bunch of nudists, I would think nothing of it. I agree that it is all culture-specific. One can never separate oneself from one's culture, except artificially and theoretically.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
So don't worry about not looking at boobs, RR. There'll always be ways to get turned on. Like... covering them back up. HOTTT!! Yes, I see your point. It's a cycle. I do like cleavage. Perhaps I am the jaded one, although I don't see how I could be. I don't do all this wild stuff like Holmes does. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
Would it be "kosher" to start a thread SPECIFICALLY about what wild stuff holmes does? I'm not sure that's such a good idea. Holmes can be rather graphic at times. I don't know if I could handle it. He makes porn movies. I call that wild. But in the circle he runs in, that may be no big deal.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
Wild to me is various things but having sex with a willing person? natural. How does filming it change the inherent act? I woiuld say it changes it drastically.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
The question isn't 'to what magnitude does filming the act change things' but rather in what way does recording the act onto a ribbon of magnetized rust alter the act? To me it carries the implication of 'Does filming an act alter the morality of that act?'. I'm not talking about morality. It changes it from a private act to a performance.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
The pill doesn’t compensate for the numbers I think it compensates enormously. But I'm not a woman. Ask Schrafinator.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
What I find interesting is that I believe within this thread I already stated that prudes are not objectively better or worse than hedonists. Thus Robin's personal distaste for sex is just fine... for her. Robin is no better or worse in the scheme of things than I am. I don't have a "personal distaste for sex." I have a personal distaste for public sex. And I'm a he not a she. This message has been edited by robinrohan, 09-12-2005 12:19 PM
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