Sex Education

Hold on, hold on - that's all a bit of a jumble. I could have sex with multiple partners over a period of time. That does not means that I am acting in an irresponsiblemanner in regards to protection.2. Lacking standards of selection; indiscriminate.I could be very selective in who I pick to have sex with - that's seems to automatically attach some form of value to the period of time or how well you know them. What if I select them because they are big-breasted redheads who I know have been checked out for STDS by my dating agency?Causal/random doesn't automatically mean irresponsible.I do,however, take your generally point but how about we use "sexual active"?This message has been edited by Charles Knight, 08-Sep-2005 05:41 PM

All rubbish, I'm not even sure where to start.

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It's the emotional toll of promiscuity that is the hidden demon in this behavior and is also what the liberal adgenda tries to whitewash.

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I think this is more to do with the rather victorian morals than americans tend to have SEX=BAD SEX+MARRIAGE+BLESSINGOFLORD=DOUBLEPLUSGOOD.

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All that's left is the sex act with animalistic physical satisfaction.

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And the problem with this? It's not really my cup of tea but what's the problem?The other flaw with what you are saying is that you present everything as a logical progression to marriage - many of us are just not interested in marriage.This message has been edited by CK, 08-Sep-2005 05:49 PM

Do you have a reading problem?

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And the problem with this? It's not really my cup of tea but what's the problem?

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To you, it's all about real time pleasure - and sex is a tool you see as a way to get there.

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And I said this where? Where did I indicate this was my behaviour? We have plenty of people here willing to make up things - why not stick to what I actually said.I don't know what this soul object beyond being a construct of the christian religion so I'll leave that bit.This message has been edited by CK, 08-Sep-2005 05:58 PM

Which is generally what the kids get in the UK (reproduction in science classes) with some social context (Social development and education class - best to wait, best to be involved in a loving relationship) and then some practical advice (If you do have sex then you should...)If it's any comfort, I'd feel unhappy about some christian filling my children's up with their nonsense. That's why in the UK we have a set currula that is strictly factual in nature.This message has been edited by CK, 08-Sep-2005 06:25 PM

In the UK - it is set at the national level:http://www.ncaction.org.ukIf you want to see what is taught on an english science examination course:Edexcel | About Edexcel | Pearson qualificationsAn example section would be:

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Students will be assessed on their ability to:
describe a DNA molecule as two strands coiled to form a double helix, the strands linked by a series of paired bases (adenine with thymine and cytosine with guanine)

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” explain that DNA controls the joining together of amino acids to make a specific protein in a cell and that the order of bases in a section of DNA decides the order of amino acids in the protein

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” explain that sections of DNA coding for specific proteins can be transferred into microorganisms which are then cultivated in fermenters to produce useful substances, including human insulin

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” explain that microorganisms use an external food source to obtain energy, changing some substances in the medium and recall that this process is fermentation

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” describe a fermenter as a vessel used to cultivate microorganisms and explain the need to supply suitable conditions in fermenters, including aseptic precautions, nutrients, optimum temperature and pH, oxygenation and agitation

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” explain the advantages of using microorganisms for food production
- rapid population growth; ease of manipulation
- production independent of climate
- use of waste products from other industrial processes

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” describe organelles in the cell that are involved with making protein

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” describe the stages of protein synthesis
- the coding by triplets of bases to produce RNA
- the linking of RNA to ribosomes
- the linking of amino acids to form polypeptides

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” recall that aerobic respiration provides energy for work B2 1.9
” explain how glucose and oxygen diffuse from capillaries into respiring cells, and how carbon dioxide diffuses from respiring cells into capillaries

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This message has been edited by CK, 08-Sep-2005 06:55 PMThis message has been edited by CK, 08-Sep-2005 06:55 PM

hahahhahahah

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The schools want to teach sex

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Hands up the teachers in the room who want to teach sex education?

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denying the existance of a creator

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I thought you had seperation of church and state? So is that element the choice of the school or them following the Constitution?

Ah that magical cutoff point - the 1960s.So would you think that Teen Pregencies were higher or lower after the 1960s? (here's a clue - I had this debate with Faith a little while back and dug out the stats).

it's rude where I come from to answer a question with a question (since you love to lecture me about good manners I think it's only fair that I do the same to you).Do you think that the rates of Teen Pregencies were high or low since 1960?Do you think the overall rate of teen pregencies has increased or decreased since the 1960s?You answer my questions and I'll permit you to ask one back.This message has been edited by CK, 09-Sep-2005 01:13 PM

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The rate of teen childbearing in the United States has fallen steeply since the late 1950s, from an all time high of 96 births per 1,000 women aged 15—19 in 1957 to an all time low of 49 in 2000. Birthrates fell steadily throughout the 1960s and 1970s;

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They were fairly steady in the early 1980s and then rose sharply between 1988 and 1991 before declining throughout the 1990s. In recent years, this downward trend has occurred among teens of all ages and races.

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Boonstra, H. Teen Pregnancy: Trends And Lessons Learned U.S. Department of Health and Human Services under grant FPR00072.

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and those may be of more general interest to us (to place what happened in the 1960s in proper context):

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:Behind the movement of the 1880s lay the agitation around the Contagious Diseases Acts aswell as religious ‘revivalism’. The campaign for the repeal of these Acts of the 1860s which allowed compulsory examination of women suspected of working as prostitutes in garrison towns and ports, gave women the experience of thinking and speaking about previously tabooed topics. Women in the Ladies National Association inspired by Josephine Butler, were united in indignation against the double standard of sexual morality, men’s use of prostitutes and the sexual abuse of children.

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But..but..it was the 1880s! It was better wanna it.. Those women were fighting against something that wasn't a problem until the 1960s

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Hopkins advised the Ladies Associations to set up Vigilance Associations in their towns, where they did not already exist, to concern themselves with indecent printed matter and shows, brothel-visiting, and prosecution of sex offenders.

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Sheila Jeffreys, 'Free from all uninvited touch of man': Women's campaigns around sexuality, 1880-1914, Women's Studies International Forum, Volume 5, Issue 6, 1982, Pages 629-645.And yes people saw "traditional" marriage as a wonderful thing..oh wait...

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Now this may very probably be a survival of the old evil doctrine of the subjection of women and the absolute supremacy of the head of the family over all members of it . In all nations of progressive civilization the history of their progress has consisted in the gradual emancipation of sons, servants, daughters and wives from their former subjection’

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Fawcett. Millicent. 1892. On the amendments Required in the Criminal law. Amendment Act 1X85. Women’s Printing Society. London.[/quote]

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He makes porn movies. I call that wild. But in the circle he runs in, that may be no big deal.

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I don't make,watch or have any interest in "porn movies" - but to me what Holmes does is called "his right and none of my business". If i want to watch his pornos it's my business but otherwise what's it got to do with anyone else?Wild to me is various things but having sex with a willing person? natural.How does filming it change the inherent act?This message has been edited by CK, 09-Sep-2005 07:57 PM