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Message 24 of 305 (399248)
05-04-2007 4:07 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by jar
05-04-2007 2:56 PM


Re: On 'accidental discharge'
The safety rules for guns are virtually identical to the safety rules for power tools.

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Message 26 of 305 (399254)
05-04-2007 4:44 PM
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05-04-2007 4:39 PM


Re: On 'accidental discharge'
Jon writes:
... I don't see how this helps your argument in any way.
I didn't make any "argument". I made an observation based on somebody's comment that guns are tools.
(By the way, neither drill presses nor belt sanders require safety shields. )

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Message 69 of 305 (399458)
05-05-2007 7:38 PM
Reply to: Message 68 by kuresu
05-05-2007 7:03 PM


Re: On why own guns.
Wasn't Kent State a National Guard action? You can hardly compare that to "whacko" shootings like Columbine.

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Message 71 of 305 (399464)
05-05-2007 8:04 PM
Reply to: Message 70 by kuresu
05-05-2007 7:45 PM


Re: On why own guns.
kuresu writes:
petro never made any statements about the minds of the shooters.
Military and police shootings aren't effected by civilian access to firearms, so they're irrelevant to this discussion. Who did the shooting and why is more important than the location.
Ignoring that fact makes it look like you're trying to weight the numbers in your favour.

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Message 73 of 305 (399471)
05-05-2007 8:37 PM
Reply to: Message 72 by kuresu
05-05-2007 8:25 PM


Re: On why own guns.
kuresu writes:
It's still a school shooting, though.
Only if you're very sloppy with your definitions. It was an abuse of government power, in no way significant to this discussion.
As was Jackson State. (Watch me go slowly down the list.)

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Message 89 of 305 (399537)
05-06-2007 12:20 PM
Reply to: Message 81 by Nuggin
05-06-2007 1:56 AM


Re: On why own guns.
Nuggin writes:
Well, then how are we going to define "school shooting"?
"School shooting" in the context of gun control has to mean civilians doing the shooting. German paratroopers attacking a school full of Polish cavalrymen is not relevant.
I don't know that we'd have all the information needed to parse these accounts without a LOT of googling.
Pardon me if it takes some actual effort to back up your points.

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Message 94 of 305 (399549)
05-06-2007 2:15 PM
Reply to: Message 92 by Nuggin
05-06-2007 2:01 PM


Re: On why own guns.
Nuggin writes:
The only points that people responding to Petro were making is that, in fact, school shootings did happen prior to Columbine and they were reported in the news.
And those points are invalid because those were not "school shootings" in any sense relevant to the topic. If you want to make a point about gun control, don't pretend that any gunshot in the general vicinity of a school is a "school shooting".
... shouldn't you be making the effort to get all the information rather than complain that other people aren't doing the research for you?
I'm pointing out errors in somebody else's research. I'm doing their research for them.

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Message 105 of 305 (399564)
05-06-2007 4:54 PM
Reply to: Message 101 by Nuggin
05-06-2007 3:19 PM


Nuggin writes:
those were not "school shootings"
That's a bold statement. Would you like to back that up and prove that all the shootings listed are not "school shootings"?
I was refering to Kent State and Jackson State, which were not "school shootings" comparable to Columbine.
I'll say this one more time: We're discussing control of civilian guns here. Shootings by military and police are not relevant.
What part of that is so @#$%ing hard to understand?
By then, maybe, Petro will have conceded that all gun violence didn't start with Columbine and your work will have been for nothing.
Unbunch your panties for a split second and read what I wrote. In no way was I trying to support what petro said. I was simply pointing out errors in kuresu's list.

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Message 120 of 305 (399583)
05-06-2007 7:56 PM
Reply to: Message 111 by Nuggin
05-06-2007 7:25 PM


Re: Oh and another thing...
Nuggin writes:
Petro said there were no school shootings reported.
Kur said "Here's a list of some"
**sigh** This is getting boring.
If the topic is indeed about inability to read, then you are demonstrating that inability in spades. The list of "some" is wrong.
The topic being (directly or indirectly) about guns and the forum being Coffee House is not an excuse to park your brain at the door and present sloppy thinking - especially if you are trying to underline another poster's sloppy thinking.

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ringo
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Message 124 of 305 (399589)
05-06-2007 8:14 PM
Reply to: Message 123 by Nuggin
05-06-2007 8:03 PM


Re: Oh and another thing...
Nuggin writes:
Does you're pointing out that it's not quite as good as some other one give you some sort of gold star? No.
Kuresu was gracious enough to acknowledge and correct his error.
That's the way it should be done. All I'm trying to say.

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