Fossil sorting for simple

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An example is dolphins and some of the marine dinosaurs; same size, same habitat, same basic body shape ... very different parts of the fossil record.

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Which clearly shows that even the same critters you would expect to see float in some nice pattern of burial were subject to different forces of the flood!! One dolphin may have got caught in a massive undertow current, and/or burial in some muck at the same time. Another might have got caught in a hurricane and blown into a lake, or hill. Yet another may have encountered some sort of sulfuric acid (or chemicals in water) that destroyed it's potential for getting fossilized. Another may have died in it's natural sea, pre flood. Another may have been following the ark, therefore in a good area, and so lived well beyond the flood. Another may have got caught in a fountain of the deep spurting, and ended up in some hot volcanic water. etc.

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It is whole layers of one kind of mollusc from billions and billions of animals all within one layer and under others. It is 100's of millions of trilobites with detailed gradual changes in layers of different relative positions.

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So one kind of mollusc in certain layers would indicate what? billions of animals (often broken to bits and fragments) in one layer under others? So what? A lot of things died! In some cases a lot of things washed into same area, or, if the continents did slide, uppiled together as well in places. trilobites with 'gradual changes'? Gradual in what way? time? No sir, don't think so. Gradual in the burial pattern in several layers all flood lain? Maybe. It seems the big thing is in how you look at these things, and the ages you imagine, because, I think, of evolutionary conditioning! No wonder you almost choke on these things.

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That is not under discussion.

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By you, no. ha. Seems to me I remember Simple didn't have much to do with this thread either!

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What I asked was what difference does it make to the ordering problem? Does it matter one way or the other? How does it matter?

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Because by removing the old age assumptions it leaves us to look at things for an explanation within the context of the flood.

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As I see it, your "very big jiggle" would produce a rather random order and get things pretty well.Why do you think it doesn't?

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Well one measly 'jiggle' could wash most of the way around the planet, swishing enough mud, and limestone, or sand, or, whatever the massive movement carried, to lay down huge formations! Add hundreds of these babies, and you got a lot to work with. So then each jiggle was not so random, since it could make a different formation altogether. For example, jiggle your foot, while pressing it forward in some wet sand, and as it pushes forward, it pushes up some little hills, or ripples in front of it. Put the foot on a world scale, say a sliding continent, and you got a mountain range. Hold a beach ball sized globe in your hand, covered with a muddy muck, blow as hard as you can on a little area, and you blow most of the muck away from a little spot. Imagine a great flood drying wind, and maybe we could dry out a ten mile, or more patch of drying mud limestone, help it harden quickly, and maybe even get a bunch of dolomite patches as well! (Dolomite, I've read can be formed in the evaporation process. Anyhow this would just be another little jiggle in a year of the jiggles!

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How do you get the Giggle to pick out only a particular set of critters and things, while ignoring all the others?

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Giggle can be very big. When he may decide to swash through the area, if one particular set of critters gets snagged, then so be it.

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In this year of Giggles, how does Giggle number one just get the marine creatures, but not all marine creatures, only a small subset?

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Perhaps giggle 1 was either first or last off the block, and his scooping success was not as great in variety, as say, giggle 4.

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How do you get the next Giggle to get the marine dinosaurs but not the marine mammals?

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Did the dinos and mammals in question always hang together? It would seem not, because at one particular hour, as giggle 8 rushed through, the poor giggle had only snagged the dinos.

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Ha ha, very funny, simple ran out ages ago.

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Oh, I thought somehow maybe he was not allowed to post in the main forums, or something like that. I guess it was his cowardness, rather than your evo bigoted heavy handdedness that was at play there.ha.

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It was a real catastrophe? It was very chaotic? Big waves, big winds, big earthquakes? That is kinda what I've gathered from some creationists. Do you agree?

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Cosmic forces brought into play. Huricanes, big wind, cyclones, whirlpools, chemicals, sliding continents, fountains of the deep erupting. Waves, volcanoes, quakes, electrical storms, possibly sun activity, and maybe even water from space. But chaotic? No, Highly organized by the creator. Why do you ask?

Not all jiggles were waves. What if you had say a massive plnge into deeper water of a little mountain, or a mountain of mud? As it knifed through the water, covering many dinos, in, say a half a mile wide swarth. The area it covered had dinos, in this jiggle.

Jiggles was a loose term covering any big flood event. Organized in what way? In the way that the operation was overseen by God Himself. Organized to make sure we made it, and that nothing else did. Organized in thT He had His hand on all the levers of creation (and then some!) needed, be they cosmic cooling, or heating. Be it water coming in to earth, or needing to be taken away! You name it, it was under control! The chaos comes in the mind of those who try to leave the raison d'etre out of the picture.

I thought you had the inuendo that this 'simple' ran away in terror from your superior logic! I guess he was just a cowardly guideline breaker. I guess if the guy wanted, he could come back and take it up on the thread here. ha.

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Ok, God organized it to be sure that everything not in the ark died and that the ark was missed by all the massive events.

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He also would have organized the temperature in the world not cooking everyone, if continents did slide quickly, that the ensueing ice age would not freeze everyone, that the plants were going to all be ok, and a host of other things, every detail. The fossil 'ordering' would have resulted from the orders of the Orderer. I've tried to come up with a few things that could have helped with the ordering. But, it seems underlying this, really, you just want to try to give glory to the fossil order to a godless evolving over great time? And hold that up as some grat model so superior, it's disdainful.? Come on now, out of the grass, and try to strike, we're getting up near 300 posts!

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overrode all the laws of physics and made miracles happen to order the fossil record in a very precise way

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Where did you dig this up? What laws do you think are in violation here? The 'theory' of evolution? Yes, He would have danced all over that one for sure!

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And you explantion is that this happened every single time? That it happened with a lot of different kinds of living things in lots of different places.

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There was a pattern it seems in how these millions of jiggle events happened aroun the world, yet with lots of wiggle room for variety! [quote]Please be clear on exactly what you are saying happened. You haven't done that yet.

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It is that you have to explain all the layers for the whole globe.

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See what I mean?