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Message 7 of 308 (82903)
02-03-2004 11:34 PM
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Reply to: Message 6 by NosyNed 02-03-2004 6:10 PM
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Re: Bump for simple
Nosyned hi I could not post on the other forum. Some rude key puncher talking about "manure" shut it down. Glad to see the coward had the good sense to not post his own opinion, as I would probably not left him much grace. Goodbye. Remember, Evilution is a lie!
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Message 17 of 308 (83195)
02-04-2004 11:09 PM
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Reply to: Message 8 by crashfrog 02-03-2004 11:39 PM
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reply as ordered by one Queen, she says, of the Universe
OK thanks for the reply, hope this is the one I'm supposed to answer
And a lot of us have been waiting a few weeks for somebody at once so tenacious and demonstratably wrong to arrive
Glad your wait is over. Anyone wanting more, just go to my thread. tks
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..I would make one change in the above paragraph by changing the phrase "nicely stratified according to age" to "nicely stratified according to relative depth". I'm sure you would! -- but why not talk to your superiors and try and get'm to work up a little courage and have it out with Walt? YELLOW?
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Message 22 of 308 (83211)
02-04-2004 11:54 PM
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Reply to: Message 18 by NosyNed 02-04-2004 11:41 PM
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I don't do side threads, like it or not
You know how to reach me. This is your thread. I have mine. (Till the pro evolution bias of the censors kicks in at least. See answer to previous post, and apply it. After all, would you like me to refer you, without a choice off this forum, or thread, and over to a pro truth one?
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Message 23 of 308 (83212)
02-04-2004 11:57 PM
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Reply to: Message 21 by NosyNed 02-04-2004 11:52 PM
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Re: reply as ordered by one Queen, she says, of the Universe
I have some thoughts on the topic but as I pointed out, am feeling a little violated after being bumped around, closed out, and such.
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Message 26 of 308 (83249)
02-05-2004 1:19 AM
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Reply to: Message 25 by NosyNed 02-05-2004 12:38 AM
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I'm cooling down a little, and maybe will give it a shot tommorow. After all, before I figured out how to start my own thread, I came over to say 'goodbye' on yours.
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Message 43 of 308 (83502)
02-05-2004 5:37 PM
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Reply to: Message 1 by NosyNed 02-03-2004 1:19 AM
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simple's explanation
OK lets start with the obvious. Lots of things got drowned! How did they end up, well, There are so many elements that we would have to bring to bear to get a good answer, little bit like how many taxes are there? Some 'formations' or deposits, like the Rundle formation, and related minor ones, are chalk full of trillions of messed up sponges, starfish, etc. Hard to put a whole one together they are so amashed up. (Hmm I guess the humm drum world of 'millions of years ago' was a wild ride. (also a wet one, and muddy one!) One experiment Walt talks about at a university tells us how a "dead bird, mammal, reptile, and amphibian were placed in an open water tank. Their bouyancy in the days following death depended on their density while living, the built up gasses in their decaying bodies, and other factors...This order of relative bouyancy correlates closely with "the evolutionary order" ..." then he mentions a process he calls "lensing" which he found produced "layering so typical of sedimentary rocks". Add to all this some creatures (larger) hogging some of the high spots (delaying their death, and missing their spot in some presumed layering!) them a dash of the unknown, you know, a little mystery, top it off with a sprinkle massive worldwide currents, giving lots of things a free ride, and ..presto An explanation begins to evolve! Why is there some particular element you find troubling? Hey this is unrelated- but some uniformists I'm told believe that some type of meteors formed or helped form the world. Talk about heat! That makes a waterslide plate ride look like a cool thing!
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Message 51 of 308 (83560)
02-05-2004 6:30 PM
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Reply to: Message 46 by JonF 02-05-2004 6:12 PM
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Re: simple's explanation
. Grass pollen is only found in the top 10% of the fossil record (starting in what we date as around 60 million years ago). 7. Fern pollen is found in the top 70% of the fossil record. I don't know. .. but what if there used to be a lot more fern than grass, and most of the grass we now find was post flood? Would that work?
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Message 52 of 308 (83561)
02-05-2004 6:32 PM
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Reply to: Message 49 by mark24 02-05-2004 6:22 PM
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Re: simple's explanation
That's a pretty big article you linked to, could you pose the basic question in a simple sentence or 2?
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Message 56 of 308 (83569)
02-05-2004 6:44 PM
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Reply to: Message 47 by Percy 02-05-2004 6:17 PM
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Re: simple's explanation
. If Walt's story about the different types of animals descending to different levels were the correct explanation, then the one that sank lowest in Walt's water tank would be found lowest in the fossil record in the ground assuming density was the big factor, yes. What about all the things I mentioned in the recent post?
We find birds, mammals, reptiles and amphibians at all levels, I don't see why not, are any of those creatures impervious to being swept away by water? Do any of them have some mechanism which would keep them from getting placed where they ended up? Sonds reasonable to me.
If the density of dead animals in the water controls their level in the fossil record, then now high an animal manages to climb before being overtaken by the flood is irrelevant I don't think Walt would limit himself to density as a be all end all.
the whole thing troubles me in fact these things you say are supported by science, really, are all not.
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Message 57 of 308 (83570)
02-05-2004 6:45 PM
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Reply to: Message 49 by mark24 02-05-2004 6:22 PM
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Re: simple's explanation
Cladistics is an objective method of determining relationships, it's only assumption is evolution ah, there's your problem!
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Message 61 of 308 (83574)
02-05-2004 6:51 PM
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Reply to: Message 54 by AdminNosy 02-05-2004 6:38 PM
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Re: simple's explanation
There were, at one time, no mammels, that is why they are sorted that way. I don't agree, (except for a matter of hours)
There were, at one time, no fish, that is why they are sorted that way I see where you're going with this, intersesting conjecture. I think there was fish, since they could swim, can you see how they may not have drowned right away, lest they were in violence? So what's the problem why some were forced to 'give up'?
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Message 64 of 308 (83577)
02-05-2004 6:59 PM
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Reply to: Message 58 by Loudmouth 02-05-2004 6:50 PM
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Re: simple's explanation
Nope. The only way it would work is if grasses were created during the end/middle of the flood, with their pollen, and somehow found their way to the correct strata. If both were around at the same time, and density, size, and habitat were the deciding factors, they should be in the same strata. I would be surprised if grasses were 'created' in the flood. Perhaps there was another factor(s) we havn't thought of? Does pollen float? In the air? do both pollens float on water for the same time, or would one sink first. Would any definite mammal remains that was before flood have grass seeds with it? (or was it post flood dinos) Good questions all, but hardly a coup de gras for uniformism
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Message 66 of 308 (83581)
02-05-2004 7:02 PM
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Reply to: Message 63 by Loudmouth 02-05-2004 6:56 PM
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Re: simple's explanation
Explain to me why there are not shed C. megalodon teeth in the bottom most layers. Why are these large shed shark teeth only found in the same layers as the fish who shed them? Apparently this particular shark didn't get mucked in 'first' layers, At least from what you have been able to find of the teeth so far! Why, should it have drowned you feel sooner?
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Message 67 of 308 (83582)
02-05-2004 7:06 PM
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Reply to: Message 59 by Joe Meert 02-05-2004 6:50 PM
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Re: simple's explanation
the problem I diagnosed (in my own words man) was that he said something depended on evolutionary assumptions!
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