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crashfrog

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Message 4 of 308 (82477)
02-03-2004 3:38 AM

In a worldwide scenario, the denser mammals would fall in a certain order. So it would be, in many cases, not so much which creature evolved from the next, so much as which was last to drown!

Funny, then, that no Elasmosaurus (a large marine reptile, often mistakenly referred to as a dinosaur) skeleton is ever found with or above, say, cattle. Does it really make sense that every single member of a species of large marine reptile couldn't survive in the water longer than a stupid cow?

And how does hydrologic sorting explain the fossil record of plants? After all, no grasses appear in strata with dinosaurs. What, did the advanced grasses uproot and run to higher ground while the ferns and ginkoes were all too clumsy to follow suit?

Hydrologic sorting is a joke. I'm surprised that you didn't even stop to think of these questions before you uttered such nonsense.

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Message 8 of 308 (82904)
02-03-2004 11:39 PM

Reply to: Message 7 by simple
02-03-2004 11:34 PM

Some rude key puncher talking about "manure" shut it down.

That would be an admin. Insult them at your own peril.

Goodbye. Remember, Evilution is a lie!

What's the rush? There's plenty of threads here for you to spread your arrogant, bull-headed ignorance. And a lot of us have been waiting a few weeks for somebody at once so tenacious and demonstratably wrong to arrive.

You're leaving just when the feeding frenzy was getting good... how disappointing.

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Message 44 of 308 (83503)
02-05-2004 5:41 PM

Reply to: Message 43 by simple
02-05-2004 5:37 PM

Why is there some particular element you find troubling?

Well, for instance, how does your model explain the sorting of fossil shellfish by complexity of shell suture? (Simple sutures towards the bottom, more complicated sutures on top.) We're talking about shellfish of similar size and density - the only difference is complexity of suture.

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Message 111 of 308 (84039)
02-06-2004 6:23 PM

Reply to: Message 109 by Lizard Breath
02-06-2004 5:00 PM

For me, the fossil sorting anomilies aren't as big a concern if I consider the unprecedented forces at work according to Genesis.

Forces that could perfectly sort between fern and grass pollen, even thought these two things are the same size and density? Unprecedented indeed.

Hydrologic sorting isn't just a problem of sorting heavy-ass dinosaurs from buoyant giraffes, or something. In order to account for the fossil record as we see it you have to propose that water is sorting, in many cases, only by features that havenothing to do with buoyancy.

As an experiment, I gathered 4 decks of UNO cards together and layed them out flat on the floor in a pile but sorted orderly with the 10's on the bottom of the pile and then the smaller numbers placed next sequentially.

How is this representative of the flood? You've taken a sorted situation and randomized it, with the predictable result that it gets less sorted. The flood situation is the reverse - a homogenized biome is randomized and as a result, takes on order. Is this reasonable to you?

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Message 113 of 308 (84049)
02-06-2004 6:47 PM

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02-06-2004 6:43 PM

Of course. I do assume that.

And I realize that you assume that.

What you don't seem to realize is that you're assuming the impossible. There's no way that water could sort something based on factors that have nothing to do with water.

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Message 134 of 308 (84252)
02-07-2004 1:18 PM

Reply to: Message 132 by simple
02-07-2004 12:06 PM

The deposit order as I have said had more to do with drowning order. Whos's going to push a t rex off higher ground? (I mentioned the teeth elsewhere)

Certainly not, I imagine, a cow.

Yet we find cows universally in higher strata than T. Rexes. How can this be explained under your model?

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