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JimSDA
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Message 166 of 603 (131583)
08-08-2004 11:48 AM
Reply to: Message 152 by Nighttrain
08-08-2004 5:03 AM


Tentmaker is an idiot....
Nighttrain, do you know anything about the Bible? I ask this because there is something that everyone needs to know about all those "Tentmaker" links that you so happily posted your negative links to --
The guy who runs the Tentmaker website is a professed Christian who believes that "everyone is going to be saved" -- that no one is going to be lost, no one is going to be destroyed in the Lake of Fire --
Which PROVES that this guy doesn't have the spiritual discernment to judge Ron's work at all!!
He's incapable of reading the Bible and knowing that God fully intends to burn the wicked in Hell, he thinks "eveyone" gets to go to heaven -- so he's an idiot!
He's an idiot who has decided that Ron's work is all wrong, so he's posted a bunch of articles (really OLD articles from the 1980s) that take Ron's work to task --
If you want to believe those old critical write-ups that have been posted by a spiritually blind idiot who doesn't know how to read his Bible, then go right ahead!
I once pointed out to the Tentmaker guy that if he really believes that everyone is going to be saved "no matter what they've done," THEN WHY DOES HE COMPLAIN SO MUCH ABOUT RON?? By his line of reasoning, it DOESN'T MATTER if Ron is the worst liar on the planet! RON STILL GOES TO HEAVEN! So why spend your time posting all the negative stuff about Ron Wyatt?? IN THE LONG RUN IT WON'T MATTER --
DUH!
The Tentmaker guy is an idiot -- he has no ability whatsoever to be able to judge Ron Wyatt's discoveries --
You folks would be much better off reading the good websites that Lysimachus posted!

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Brian
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Message 167 of 603 (131584)
08-08-2004 11:51 AM
Reply to: Message 166 by JimSDA
08-08-2004 11:48 AM


Re: Tentmaker is an idiot....
HI Jim,
So why spend your time posting all the negative stuff about Ron Wyatt?? IN THE LONG RUN IT WON'T MATTER --
Well some people have morals and ethics, they don't like to see people being conned out of money by people who are proven liars, perhaps tentmaker falls into this category.
Did Ron really fail the lie detector test?
Brian.

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CK
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Message 168 of 603 (131585)
08-08-2004 11:51 AM
Reply to: Message 166 by JimSDA
08-08-2004 11:48 AM


In a new regular feature
We'll look at posts that "supporters" of Wyatt and his exodus claims make and how much of it relates to actual evidence.
Post 166 with all bits unrelated to evidence removed
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em.. that's it

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CK
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Message 169 of 603 (131586)
08-08-2004 12:00 PM
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08-08-2004 11:51 AM


another interesting site.
There is an interesting insight into Wyatt's method of providing proof (ie lie and make it up).
Field Guide: Ron Wyatt: The "Real Noah's Ark" claims
Wyatt was never able to deliver on his "trainloads of evidence" claims. Enthusiastic folks who have seen one or more of his videos still describe to their friends that Wyatt found trainloads of "deck timber," but there has never been any credible evidence that any of the items seen or brought back by Wyatt was such "deck timber." Initial laboratory analyses of the one 18 inch piece of rock didn't totally "rule out" that it might be fossilized wood, but further investigation shows that no qualified scientists interpret the data as substantiating Wyatt's claim for it.
Does that sound like any other claims that we are discussing, you know "watch the video".
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JimSDA
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Message 170 of 603 (131588)
08-08-2004 12:07 PM
Reply to: Message 152 by Nighttrain
08-08-2004 5:03 AM


Joe Zias' criticisms on Tentmaker....
Joe Zias used to work for the IAA, the Israeli Antiquities Authority -- I've exchanged several e-mails with Joe Zias over the years -- and he's aways been a thorn in Ron's side.
Would you guys like to know why?
Listen very carefully --
Joe Zias is a NON-RELIGIOUS JEW.
Do you understand what that means?
He is a Jew living in Israel who doesn't believe in GOD --
So are we to assume that this man is a "good judge" of Ron's work? A work that deals with finding things mentioned in the Bible, a book that Joe Zias, a NON-religious Jewish person, does NOT believe in?
Sure, guys -- you go ahead and listen to Joe Zias -- a person who is completely biased against GOD and the Bible and the Exodus and Jesus!
Go right ahead --
Let me add one more thing about Joe Zias -- back in 1997 or so he and about 60 other people were FIRED from the IAA!
He no longer works there.
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CK
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Message 171 of 603 (131589)
08-08-2004 12:09 PM
Reply to: Message 170 by JimSDA
08-08-2004 12:07 PM


In a new regular feature (2)
This just in!
Post 170 with all bits unrelated to evidence removed
.
em.. that's it
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JimSDA
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Message 172 of 603 (131590)
08-08-2004 12:23 PM
Reply to: Message 169 by CK
08-08-2004 12:00 PM


"Trainloads" of wood....
OK, Charles, try to listen to me real close -- when Ron used the term "trainloads" of wood, it was in the early years when he investigated the Noah's Ark site (1977-1985 or so). The formation was 515 feet long, nearly 2 football fields in length -- it was a ruined boat formation covered with mud -- radar scans showed a collapsed structure under the surface -- so Ron naturally thought that there would be "trainloads" of wood within the formation! It's a very logical conclusion.
What we found out later was that ice fracturing had taken its effect upon lots of the petrified wood in the structure -- "ice fracturing" is when rain water seeps into the petrified wood and FREEZES, thereby fracturing everything into tiny pieces!
That is clearly what happened to the rib timbers that we photographed along one side of the formation -- the wood is GONE, and you just have the remains of the fractured stone left in its place.
This is "science" happening to a 4,500 year old wooden boat structure, something that you repeatedly say we don't deal with.
But we deal with it just fine, and have been doing so for years.
Isn't it interesting how the critics always post their criticisms, but they hardly ever acknowledge our answers to their criticisms? And then YOU come along 10-15 years later and read their stupid comments and you start thinking that they are current on-going "honest" criticisms -- when they are nothing but extremely dishonest web postings made by very dishonest people!

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JimSDA
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Message 173 of 603 (131592)
08-08-2004 12:29 PM
Reply to: Message 171 by CK
08-08-2004 12:09 PM


Jerk trial lawyers....
Charles, you're acting like a trial lawyer who doesn't want his client's evil past brought up in court -- as if a person's past has nothing to do with what he believes in or who he is!
Tentmaker and Joe Zias are GUILTY of being bad judges of Ron's work, which is why it is important for everyone to know "why" their biases have ruined their objectivity!
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CK
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Message 174 of 603 (131593)
08-08-2004 12:34 PM
Reply to: Message 173 by JimSDA
08-08-2004 12:29 PM


Re: Jerk trial lawyers....
This just in, a special report from our roming reporter!
Post 173 with all bits unrelated to evidence removed
.
em.. that's it - back to the studio.

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sidelined
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Message 175 of 603 (131594)
08-08-2004 12:36 PM
Reply to: Message 166 by JimSDA
08-08-2004 11:48 AM


Re: Tentmaker is an idiot....
JimSDA
The guy who runs the Tentmaker website is a professed Christian who believes that "everyone is going to be saved" -- that no one is going to be lost, no one is going to be destroyed in the Lake of Fire --
Which PROVES that this guy doesn't have the spiritual discernment to judge Ron's work at all
Good dodge attack the man heading the website instead of refuting the testimony of the people who are on his website.
So what do you have to say about A Great Christian Scam
By Gary Amirault
or these other documents
Letter from Lorence Collins
Letter from John Baumgardner, Ph.D.
The Boat Shaped Formation, by John D. Morris, Ph.D.
Letter from Harold G. Coffin to David Merling
Has Noah's Ark Been Found? Part I - Dr. David Merling
Has Noah's Ark Been Found? Part II - Dr. David Merling
Letter from Thomas Fenner, Geophysicist
Statement by William H. Shea, Biblical Research Institute
Letter from Joe Zias, Curator of Anthropology/Archaeology, Israel Antiquities Authority
Hey I will make you a bet. You will find them all to be lacking in some personal trait and ignore any of their actual complaints.

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CK
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Message 176 of 603 (131595)
08-08-2004 12:38 PM
Reply to: Message 172 by JimSDA
08-08-2004 12:23 PM


Re: "Trainloads" of wood....
Here's a real easy one for you Jim - just fill in the blanks! - it's a matter of adding six lines.
EVIDENCE ITEM 1: What is it?
??????.
1)WHICH LAB CONDUCTED INDEPENDENT VERIFICATION?
??????
2)WHEN WAS THIS CONDUCTED?
??????
3)WHAT TESTS WERE PERFORMED?
?????
4)WHAT WERE THE RESULTS OF 3?
??????
5) WHERE IS THE DOCUMENTATION AROUND THE VERIFICATION PROCESS AVAILABLE?
??????
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jar
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Message 177 of 603 (131612)
08-08-2004 1:42 PM
Reply to: Message 176 by CK
08-08-2004 12:38 PM


Since no one elsewill, I'llstart it.
EVIDENCE ITEM 1: What is it? Pictographs of 12 calves were found on the Altar.
The supporters can fill in the rest of the questions.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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JimSDA
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Message 178 of 603 (131613)
08-08-2004 1:43 PM
Reply to: Message 175 by sidelined
08-08-2004 12:36 PM


Re: Tentmaker is an idiot....
sidelined, every single one of those names and posts are "old news," mostly from 10+ years ago, and they have ALL been answered by recent work. NONE of those people have ever replied to Lennart Mollers' book or work, it having been done in the year 2000 --
What to know what I think of people who just quote "old news"?
Nothing.
If they have an honest difference of opinion, that's one thing -- but when they ignore the newest developments, that's just being downright dishonest and they should retract their old statements!

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jar
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Message 179 of 603 (131616)
08-08-2004 1:55 PM
Reply to: Message 178 by JimSDA
08-08-2004 1:43 PM


More shell games
yet!
Let's look at the issue of the rock drawings.
Can you at least respond to that one question?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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JimSDA
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Message 180 of 603 (131617)
08-08-2004 1:58 PM
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08-08-2004 1:55 PM


Re: More shell games
jar, Can you read what we've posted on our websites?

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