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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
So are you willing to discuss the rock drawings?
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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AdminAsgara Administrator (Idle past 2333 days) Posts: 2073 From: The Universe Joined: |
Jim, we do not debate by website here. If your answer to any question posed to you is "read the website", or "read the book", or "buy the video" then I don't see what you are posting here for.
Please debate in good faith by answering even one of the questions posed to YOU not the website. AdminAsgara Queen of the Universe http://asgarasworld.bravepages.com http://perditionsgate.bravepages.com
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JimSDA Inactive Member |
Our Noah's Ark material was again shown last week on THE HISTORY CHANNEL -- and my good friend Kevin Fisher has posted pictures from it on his website at:
Tour of Noah's Ark Notice the concluding statement -- for YEARS we've been saying that we need to do an intrusive excavation into the formation so we can finally settle the issue! This is an honest responce by people who have heard all the criticisms that are on the Tentmaker garbage website -- they realize that the issue has NOT been settled yet, and the ONLY way to ever settle it is to do a full-fledged excavation of the Noah's Ark site! WE'VE WANTED TO DO THIS EVER SINCE 1977!!!! This message has been edited by JimSDA, 08-08-2004 01:08 PM
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CK Member (Idle past 4158 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
Wait! we have a breaking report from our reporter!
We can hear you charlie, what evidence was offered for consideration in that last post? That evidence from post 183 in full . em.. back to you in the studio
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
This is not about the ARK. That has nothing to do with this thread.
Would you like to discuss the rock drawings that are referenced in the Exodus video? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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JimSDA Inactive Member |
"So are you willing to discuss the rock drawings?"
No -- not yet -- I am waiting to hear back from the people to whom I forwarded the Rock Art drawing to -- You may have to wait a week or so -- Hey, we had to wait YEARS to get answers to some of the questions we had regarding these sites!
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Yaro Member (Idle past 6526 days) Posts: 1797 Joined: |
Field Guide: Ron Wyatt: The "Real Noah's Ark" claims
This site has many notable points to make, among them are a personal account of an SDA who went with Wyatt on one of his digs. I posted this before, but unfortunetly it was lost in the great crash Here is the link: http://www.ldolphin.org/wyatt1.html An excerpt:
Over several days we were able to excavate our way down into the same cave system that Wyatt had explored two years before. I'm sorry to report that in the end we came up empty-handed. The connecting channel through which Wyatt had claimed to see the furniture was not there. On the final day of excavation, when we could not see the internal cavern landmarks that Wyatt had predicted, Ron himself finally climbed down into the dim space. After a long time he emerged, looking confused. As we waited respectfully to hear his report, he mumbled a few words like: "It's not the same; it's changed. It's not the way I remember it." There was no opening to be seen, giving a view into an adjacent cavern. There was nothing. In the process of our digging we had come up with a few interesting little objects from Roman times, but they were irrelevant to our main goal. Our team was disappointed, puzzled, disillusioned. We had enjoyed ten days of close fellowship, with daily shared prayer times, and an excited anticipation of momentous events just before us. Now all those hopes came crashing down. And sadly, Wyatt was not man enough to come clean, to apologize for bringing us on a wild goose chase, or to attempt any kind of explanation. We kept expecting some sort of statement, but he just remained silent, withdrawn. And we were too stunned, and perhaps too sorry for him in his confusion, to demand that he explain. To this day I cannot give a rational account for the extreme misguidedness that Wyatt revealed. What was happening in his head? His participation in our group worship times had left all of us in no doubt about his sincerity and his devotion to Scripture. He was a competent Bible scholar. He was a brother. Yet he had misled us terribly, and had offered no words of regret or apology or explanation. I have reviewed the whole story many times since then, and am convinced that the church administrator was right: Wyatt might be mistaken, but he himself believed that what he had originally shared was true. From medical school I remember hearing of a rare state of mind, with a long Latin name, that led its victims to concoct marvelously detailed accounts of events that were pure fabrications, yet which the story-teller himself had come to believe were absolutely true. I am inclined to believe that Wyatt was a florid example of this disorder. He was not a deliberate liar, a fraud. And some of his observations had merit. But I am convinced that some of his "discoveries" were matters which underwent transcription in his mind, and he came to believe as true certain ideas and observations that in fact were his own inventions. I think the reason JimSDA, that you are not able to see our viewpoint is becaused you were vey close to Ron. I have read your website and in your writtings you express a certain schoolboy fascination with the man. You belived his stories, worked with him, and likely befrinded him. So admiting that Wyatt was either mistaken, mislead, wrong, or lying, would make you feel as if you had betrayed someone close to you. So in essence, if we unearthed a secret Wyatt diary in which Wyatt wrote "It was all a big lie! But now im in it too deep...", you would still close your eyes and not belive. I think it's not so much that you truely think all your evidence is convincing, but rather the fact that you have a personal stake in defending Wyatts honor. For those who do not know, Jim Pinkoski here was the first curator of the Wyatt Museum, an Illustrator for Wyatt, and a close friend of the man. (And a Sci-Fi fan too! Like me ) Anyway Jim, from what I have read, I think Wyatt wanted to belive so bad he convinced himself of his own fabrications and draged everyone else around him into his web using his great charisma. From the looks of it, Wyatt was a good man, he wasn't trying to lie, he just wasn't a scientist or practicing science. He just wanted to belive that his work was real.
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JimSDA Inactive Member |
"This is not about the ARK. That has nothing to do with this thread."
All those Tentmaker links dealt with negative comments about Ron's work on Noah's Ark, so that's why I've posted about Noah's Ark! Tell the guy to remove the Tentmaker links from the thread then!
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CK Member (Idle past 4158 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
EVIDENCE ITEM 1: What is it?
Rock drawings 1)WHICH LAB CONDUCTED INDEPENDENT VERIFICATION?
N/A 2)WHEN WAS THIS CONDUCTED?
N/A 3)WHAT TESTS WERE PERFORMED?
N/A 4)WHAT WERE THE RESULTS OF 3?
N/A 5) WHERE IS THE DOCUMENTATION AROUND THE VERIFICATION PROCESS? AVAILABLE?
N/A No -- not yet -- I am waiting to hear back from the people to whom I forwarded the Rock Art drawing to -- You may have to wait a week or so -- Just in case Jim "forgets" I have set a reminder in outlook that will repeat each week, I'll quote his post and we can see what he has for us.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Jim
The issue is not so much the rock drawing I posted as those that you folk claim. If you want, we can start with the drawings from Ron's site. Surly you are ready to discuss those? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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JimSDA Inactive Member |
Yaro, you're going to get Charles more upset -- you posted about Ron's Ark of the Covenant dig -- Charles freaks when we get off the Exodus talk!
Regarding Ron being "confused" in the AofC dig tunnels -- lots of supernatural things have happened over the years regarding the AofC dig. The bottom line is that God intends to show the Ark of the Covenant to the whole world ON HIS TIME TABLE -- not ours -- so certain events have been "frustrated" in certain ways to prevent either certain people from getting into the cave, or certain things happening that might cause the world to prematurely focus on that dig site and the AofC. It's real important to read what the Bible says about the AofC, so that we can all realize that it is the #1 Most Special Object on the entire planet -- and it belongs to God -- not the Jews, not the Christians -- so God gets to decide when and how it will be finally revealed to the world. We wait for that time. So now we return to Charles' favorite topic, the Exodus . . .
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CK Member (Idle past 4158 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
Evidence in that post
. Nice attempt to try and turn this into something about me - just shows that you have no evidence to present.
So now we return to Charles' favorite topic, the Exodus . . . Em.. and the purpose of the thread. This message has been edited by Charles Knight, 08-08-2004 01:38 PM
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JimSDA Inactive Member |
Yaro wrote: "From the looks of it, Wyatt was a good man, he wasn't trying to lie, he just wasn't a scientist or practicing science. He just wanted to belive that his work was real."
It's true, Ron really wanted to believe that the discoveries were real -- he had a lot of faith in God -- and as he made those 100+ trips overseas to go to these sites, he never knew what kind of evidence would be there! He had to go with an open mind, see what was there, and see if it in anyway matched what the Bible described in the stories of these major biblical events. Sometimes the evidence is staggering -- a boat-shaped formation exactly 300 cubits long on a mountain in Turkey 6,200 feet above sea level -- millions of sulfur balls embedded in ashen shapes near the Dead Sea -- a mountain called Jebel el Lawz with the entire top of it burned black with melted non-volcanic granite rocks there (the reason that this is important is because the Bible says that God descended on Mt. Sinai in "smoke and fire") -- And sometimes the evidence was smaller and harder to categorize -- but because Ron knew that the reason for going to these sites was to prove the Bible was TRUE, he opted to favor the questionable evidence in a favorable way! And then he honestly did his best to document it, film it, test it, and then present it to others to see what they thought. And people like Lennart Moller decided that the evidence was convincing enough that they chose to do MORE WORK on the various sites -- because in the long run, unless somebody does the work, NOBODY learns the Truth -- so while people here like Charles want to criticize the evidence, it would be nice to hear them compliment Ron and Lennart for MAKING THE EFFORT TO DO THIS WORK, you know?
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JimSDA Inactive Member |
Charles, the purpose of this thread is to discuss any or all questions that come up regarding any topic that the Exodus material leads to!
You guys post links to people criticizing Ron's work (any of it), and that means that we get to spend some time replying to it! You think the critics are "oh-so-knowledgable," then I get to share some of their bio info that shows that they are basically idiots! Every now and then we'll talk the Exodus -- OK?
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CK Member (Idle past 4158 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
And people like Lennart Moller decided that the evidence was convincing enough that they chose to do MORE WORK on the various sites -- because in the long run, unless somebody does the work, NOBODY learns the Truth -- so while people here like Charles want to criticize the evidence, it would be nice to hear them compliment Ron and Lennart for MAKING THE EFFORT TO DO THIS WORK, you know? Jim - you are trying in a very obvious manner to derail the conversation by making it about people ie. me. I would ask you to cease this behaviour.
it would be nice to hear them compliment Ron and Lennart for MAKING THE EFFORT TO DO THIS WORK, you know? What practical difference would that make to the standard of the evidence you have failed to present? This message has been edited by Charles Knight, 08-08-2004 01:50 PM
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