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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
In recent ads and campaign quotes from Bush:
The Kerry Doctrine, Bush said, is this: "That America has to pass a global test before we can use troops to defend ourselves. Senator Kerry's approach to foreign policy would give foreign governments veto power over national security decisions," Bush said. "I have a different view. When our country is in danger, the President's job is not to take an international poll. The President's job is to defend America." This is a flat out lie that anyone can check by reading the transcript of the debate (see Transcript here) Why is the president lying to the american people ... again? One of the articles about these recent lies is Bush rips 'Kerry Doctrine'(click for full article) This message has been edited by RAZD, 01-03-2005 21:06 AM we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Lam has your answer. Not only that
KERRY: The president always has the right, and always has had the right, for preemptive strike. That was a great doctrine throughout the Cold War. And it was always one of the things we argued about with respect to arms control.
No president, though all of American history, has ever ceded, and nor would I, the right to preempt in any way necessary to protect the United States of America. But if and when you do it, Jim, you have to do it in a way that passes the test, that passes the global test where your countrymen, your people understand fully why you're doing what you're doing and you can prove to the world that you did it for legitimate reasons. What I have emphasised in yellow above is a direct contradiction to what Bush claims the "Kerry Doctrine" to involve. He was there, he knows what Kerry said, he is misrepresenting it, and it is done intentionally for personal political gain: he is lying. This is not the first time and it won't be the last The president is also claiming that Kerry saw the same evidence that he saw on the threat that Saddam posed. This too is a lie, as it now transpires that the whitehouse kept information from the security counil members of the senate AND the senate in general that countered the evidence for going to war: they suppressed evidence that showed the sanctions were working in order to go to war. THAT is despicable. I cannot see how anyone can enjoy being a patsy for this person. This message has been edited by RAZD, 10-04-2004 05:30 AM we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Bush has been shown to lie several times, this latest one about the "global test" is the most blatantly intentionally self-servingly false statement of the bunch.
How can you as a true christian still believe that he is really that much of a fundamentalist believer when he makes such willfull lies? Of course I don't see how anyone can believe a word he says, but that is MY opinion: why do you give him a "BYE" when you can see that he is lying? enlighten me. please. we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
If you don't want us to be a soverign nation, then whats the reason your an american, I don't need this kind of snivling slimey jingoist snotty insult of malicious implication over something that has never been said, continually and mindlessly posed as fact by those too demonstratqably mentally incompetent to realize that they are the puppets of the most unamerican administration in the history of the nation.
YOUR PRESIDENT LIED TO YOU -- WHY DO YOU SUPPORT HIS LIES? Either you are too blind to see the moral hypocrisy in supporting a known anti-american liar, or you willingly embrace the lie because you are a malicious anti-american that wants to disassemble those things that make this country great and what has enabled it to survive such efforts in the past Now you have a choice: (1) apologize or (2) continue to be a fool --- your choice.
YOU HAVE NO REASON TO VOTE FOR BUSH -- ALL YOU HAVE ARE HIS CONTINUED LIES AND MISREPRESENTATIONS. BUSHNO PLAN NO RESULTS NO CHANGES NO LEADERSHIP When will you realize when a person is incompetent? What evidence will convince you that he is a failure? enjoy. we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
creationistal writes: Sort of like Clinton getting the additional data showing he got caught lying, so he revised his conclusions on whether or not he had sexual contact with a certain intern, no? yes, and that blue dress lie caused the death of 1060 soldiers, didn’t it? Don't you think that the issue is a little more critical when the lies cause deaths?
creationistal, post #30 writes: When did we get hit again? I must have missed it. If you're talking about Iraqi terrorism, I'll give you that one. Actually we got hit again on 9/11/01 — on bush’s watch even though he had been told that Osama would try again ... No, what you missed was the revised report from the Whitehouse on terrorism world wide for the last year: higher than ever before, excluding the wars in Afghanistan and in Iraq. The Whitehouse tried to use the report as evidence of their success in the war on terror until they were forced to correct the numbers (gee — caught lying again???) Why do you support a proven liar? That is the question here, not who else lied in the history of the US: How can you say you support a known liar? This message has been edited by RAZD, 10-04-2004 04:55 PM we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
The question is why is BUSH lying
and why do YOU support a liar do try to stay on topic. BUSH IS LYING -- WHY DOES THE PRESIDENT OF THE USofA NEED TO LIE? WHEN WILL HE START GIVING AMERICANS THE TRUTH? WHEN WILL HE START TELLING THE TROOPS THE TRUTH? we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Bush has given people pocket change and it has had no effect on the economy. I take it from your twisted logic that the only way you would consider it a failure is if the stock market crashed, but the real measure is that there is no possible association of any surge or even burp in the stock market with the tax give-away, because there is none. IF there is NO RESULT then it is a failure. QED.
NOW: in THIS topic, I am saying that the PRESIDENT is LYING and provide the latest example, a malicious prevarication of what Kerry actually said into something entirely different that is also contradicted by what Kerry said in the same debate. CONCLUSION: BUSH LIES. It is intentional, it is mallicious, it is intended to deceive to harm others, and anyone and everone that does not disassociate themselves from this lie is an accessory to the lie. It cannot be excused, it cannot be spun, it cannot be dodged: YOUR PRESIDENT IS A LIAR. HE CHOSE TO LIE INSTEAD OF TELL THE TRUTH. WHY DO YOU WANT A LIAR FOR A PRESIDENT? the rest of your post is your usual unrational disjoint from reality. Enjoy. added by edit: Any fool can vote for Bush once.Only an absolute fool will vote for him twice. This message has been edited by RAZD, 10-05-2004 08:56 AM we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
ahh yes
the corrected report on terrorism
Waxman - Government Reform Minority Office report New data, released by the State Department to correct serious mistakes in the initial Patterns of Global Terrorism 2003 report, shows a major increase in deaths and injuries in terrorist attacks in 2003, with significant attacks reaching a 20-year high. Now there is the kind of "result" we want to see from our anti-terror programs ... we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
this topic is
WHY IS BUSH LYING I do NOT see where Kerry gets into the picture here: it is about BUSH and HIS LIES AND why ANYONE would vote FOR a LIAR?
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Kerry is NOT this issue on THIS TOPIC
the ISSUE HERE IS BUSH IS LYING, THERE IS UNDENIABLE EVIDENCE OF IT: WHY IS HE NOT BEING HELD ACCOUNTABLE AND WHY DOES ANYONE SUPPORT HIS LYING? your regurgitation of some of BUSH's LIES about Kerry are NOT the issue
BUSH LIED, IT IS ON TAPE, IT IS OBVIOUSLY FALSE, IT IS OBVIOUSLY INTENTIONAL, IT IS OBVIOUSLY MALICIOUS why does anyone let him get away with it? why does anyone think that this is presidential material? USE YOUR OWN STANDARDS ON LIES: OPEN YOUR FOOLISH EYES. we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
again a WUSS answer ... "all politician lie"
(1) that does not make it correct, good or ethical behavior (2) there are standards that have been used -- imagine Clinton getting away with "all politicians lie" when asked about a certain blue dress Anyone voting FOR bush is intentionally choosing to be lied to, choosing to be verbally coddled while rome burns any fool can vote for Bush onceonly a COMPLETE fool will vote for him twice. BUSH:NO Plans NO Results NO Changes NO Leadership "Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice .... well you can't ... you know ..." we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Voting is chosing who is best for the job based on the information provided.
When a politician lies and is caught at it he can either apologize and offer a mea culpa -- as, note, Clinton did -- or continue with the lie unrepentant -- as, note, Bush is doing. Nixon resigned from office for his lies.Clinton was publically chastized for his lies. Several other politicians have dissapeared from races when their lies became public knowledge. The question is WHY is BUSH getting a BYE with his blatant LIE? Being morally ethical means being responsible and BUSH is not being held responsible for his lies. (note to nosey -- I was trying to make it hard for whatnever to avoid reading the real issue here - sometimes you need to hit people in the head to get them to blink) we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
AND -- what we have is an incompetent president who always lies.
so either would be an improvement This message has been edited by RAZD, 10-05-2004 11:29 AM
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
A statesman is above all a diplomat that brings others to the table
Bush on the other hand has driven people away: he is incompetent. He has lied, is lying, will lie Why do you pick a known liar? Why do you not condemn his lies? The only conclusion I can reach is (a) you are too stupid to tell they are lies or (b) you don't care that they are lies. If you don't care that they are lies it is either because (1) you are malicious yourself or (2) you are insane in wanting a liar in any leadership position. OR you are in denial -- that cozy self-denial state where you don't have to deal with reality, especially the reality that you {are making \ have made} a mistake. A big mistake. Judging on past performance, I suspect the latter. we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
fewer acts with more effect I would put down to a more successful and focused opposition, and not one on the run from a winning anti-terrorist program. The fact is that the world is more dangerous for americans abroad than it has been in 20 years and that this is due in part to the administrations failed programs and alienation of whole generations of whole nations.
dead is dead, injured is injured, more is more. the state department's report can hardly be considered unbiased, especially as it had to revise it's first report to correct errors that Mr Waxman exposed. as such I consider his information more credible. enjoy. we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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