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RAZD
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Message 97 of 103 (148159)
10-07-2004 4:22 PM
Reply to: Message 95 by Quetzal
10-07-2004 11:49 AM


Bush claims that we are safer now that Saddam is behind bars.
There has yet to be shown any link between Saddam and terrorist attacks on Americans. {{This is not to say that he wasn't a bad dude, a thug who supported terrorism in the Middle East and in his backyard}}.
There are now attacks on Americans that were not occurring before, both in numbers, in locations, and in methods (the beheadings come to mind as a particularly gruesome example). I don't equate any of that with being safer.
There are places in the world where it used to be relatively safe for Americans to travel that are now dangerous. I don't equate that with being safer.
There are Americans coming home from Iraq dead or injured that would not be doing so without the continued war in Iraq. I don't equate that with being safer.
One could argue that the soldiers could as easily be killed in Afghanistan ... but that would be in pursuit of the real terrorists and killers of Americans, and getting them will -- when it happens -- make us safer, but it hasn't happened yet, and I don't equate that with being safer.
One can also justifiably say that the conflict in Iraq has raised the Arab anti-American sentiment to new heights of hate and willingness to kill. I don't equate that with being safer.
The credibility of our leaders has been diminished not just from the wanton invasion of Iraq but by the undeniable evidence that our intelligence people do not have a lock on what is happening in the real world, and this will affect what our leaders can accomplish in the world with other leaders. I don't equate that with feeling safer.
Personally I don't think there is a thing this administration can do with credibility anymore. They have lied, they have misrepresented, they have mismanaged, they have missed opportunities, and they are unrepentant and unwilling to make any changes to prevent similar mistakes in the future.
Show me Waxman lying with evidence similar to that of Bush's blatant lie about Kerry's comments.
Show me Waxman lying with evidence similar to the pictures that show Cheney sitting next to each other at a table that prove that Cheney was lying when he said he never met Edwards before the debate.
Powell has admitted that the evidence that he presented was not credible.
Rumsfeld has admitted that the link between Iraq and Al Queda is tenuous at best.
This administration cannot be trusted. For anything.
Personally I think it is venal that the republican party is not trying Bush for impeachment with the same fervor that they prosecuted Clinton's blue dress, or do they forget that their standard was that he was lying to the American people? The blue dress did not cause soldiers to die.
Enjoy.

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RAZD
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Message 103 of 103 (148383)
10-08-2004 1:07 PM
Reply to: Message 100 by Quetzal
10-08-2004 9:56 AM


What's with me? for one, I am one of those people Cheney refered to as "helping off the tax roster" -- twice in four years. First time downsized, second time outsourced overseas, and it was a lower paying job: is "do you want fries with that" my next option?
For two, I cannot believe that ANYONE is even considering voting for Bush based on his record of failures and INABILITY to consider change.
He is incompetent (and was as Governor if you look back at what he actually did rather than what he takes credit for).
For three: he lies. About everything. He says one thing and does another - opposite to what he says.
For four: he takes credit for things that are either (1) not done ("Mission Accomplished" stands out here, but his claims on the economy come a close second) or (2) things he had nothing to do with or resisted (Homeland security, many other examples)
I have to ask what evidence is needed to show that a person is a failure as a president ... and how does Bush measure up to an honest assesment?
Note voting for Bush is one reasonable answer. Not letting him get away with his sleazy politics is more of what America needs to do, if nothing else then to regain some international credibility.
But that is my opinion as a liberal American who thinks that all opinions should be heard, particularly by a president, and expecially when he is running for re-election.
Piece on the radio this morning where people that were being searched (????) before going to a rally where he would speak, and any evidence of Kerry support and they were (1) not allowed in, (2) threatened with arrest if they didn't leave quietly and (3) escourted away.
That doesn't sound like ANY previous president, it doesn't sound American.
Enjoy.

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