iBibleNano,
How can forknowledge BE predestination? You haven't demonstrated that anywhere. I don't have to demonstrate a negative. You have to demonstrate a positive.
Forknowledge is predestination because once something is forknown it cannot be any different. It must & will happen.
I'll define predestined as something that must happen. At least that should be non-controversial.
Premise: God is omniscient & knows everything before it happens.
Inference: God's omniscience means that when I am presented with a choice the outcome is known in advance. Given that god knows the outcome in advance it therefore
must happen & therefore meets the standard of being predestined.
Conclusion: Ergo, omniscience = predestination of future events.
If god forknew something that later turned out to be different then he never forknew it in the first place meaning he is not omniscient. If he did forknow it it absolutely must & will come to pass.
That is predestination.
The syllogism, "It will happen, therefore it will happen, therefore you can't change it." is just as valid as, "God knows in advance what will happen, therefore it will happen." The only part that matters is the last part, "It will happen." and that is where the trouble arises. You assume that because it will happen we can't change it. Well you're absolutlety right, but the only reason why we can't change it is because we don't know what the future holds. If we knew what the future held, and were not able to change it, then I would say we have a problem with the idea of free will.
It's not about what we know, it's about what god knows. If god knows that I am going to choose a striped shirt to put on this morning, then I cannot change that. It is predestined that I will put a striped shirt on.
but the only reason why we can't change it is because we don't know what the future holds.
The only reason we can't change it is because god knows the outcome. Our not knowing what that outcome is, is irrelevant.
You'll find that true and genuine logic, the kind where all the dots are connected, often leads to the conclusion that the Christian God is the only possible God there is. The only reason we don't have access to such logic is because our minds are so finite and we still know so little about the universe.
So I'll find something that I can't find? Is that the sort of logic you mean? Is that what constitutes logic "where all the dots are connected" in your book? Gooooooood grief, Charlie Brown.
This is going to be one of those silly conversations that is only worth continuing for the sake of the lurkers, isn't it?
Mark
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