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Hill Billy Member (Idle past 5384 days) Posts: 163 From: The hills Joined: |
Hi Hill Billy, Thank you. As our host,what you have to say is very important to me. Just trying to help clear things up for you.
A wise-guy attitude is no substitute for effective communication. If you're going to insist on burying any serious communication beneath layers of sarcasm and wisecracks then don't be surprised if moderators can't see any serious content in your posts. Moderating the board is something people volunteer to do in their spare time. It is unpaid and there is no training. Make it easy for moderators to tell you're following the Forum Guidelines or you'll be gone. Point taken. I will try and wrap it up all tidy like. I believe the following statement is true: As human beings, we incorporate our emotions in the process of drawing conclusions. Therefore it is difficult, if not impossible, to determine if our conclusions are true. In fact, to have any hope of making this determination one must first assume that their conclusions may be false. Only then can those conclusions be compared with alternatives. Is this not the basis of science? In fact, is this not science itself? Is not scientific thinking in fact,the assumption that all conclusions may be false? After six months of reading here, what stands out the most to me is that most everyone here is absolutely convinced of the truth of their conclusions. Very few here seem even the slightest bit interested in hearing what anyone else has to say.( you know, alternatives ) That leaves you with a science themed discussion board with very few scientific thinkers. Would you like some more? Edited by Hill Billy, : Fergot a word "Just cause what I say pisses you off does not mean that I said it just to piss you off." Me
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Hill Billy Member (Idle past 5384 days) Posts: 163 From: The hills Joined: |
Trixie.
why bother hanging around here? might be answered with this.There are many people on this board who go out of their way, take time to research things and draw upon their own experience to try to help people who want to learn something. So, please, how do YOU know who's who? How do You know who to trust? Is it wise to trust someone who is absolutely certain their conclusions are true? "Just cause what I say pisses you off does not mean that I said it just to piss you off." Me
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Hill Billy Member (Idle past 5384 days) Posts: 163 From: The hills Joined: |
Trixie
Can I point out that scientists always hold their conclusions to be falsifiable, but they don't actually reach those conclusions until they've carried out the experiments to either support or refute their hypothesis. Once they've done that, they publish their findings, including full methodology, and describe the conclusions they have drawn. This lets others replicate their findings. If you were to say "most" scientists, we would be in complete agreement.
Most of the time the conclusions are not those of the posters themselves, but of science. Um, isn't it people who draw conclusions? See,here's what I'm wonderin,can science really draw a conclusion if it is a kind of conclusion itself ? ( The conclusion that all conclusions may be false.)They do want to hear about alternatives, but alternatives which have been through the same rigorous process as the conventional conclusions. So, are you saying that some conclusions are in fact true? If they go through this rigorous process, that is?Why don't you quit with the snidey insults? I personally don't respond well to them and neither does much of the human race. I think if you were insulted by this remark,then you must place yourself among those who do not think scientifically. Is this correct? I mean thinking about science is not the same as scientifically thinkin. Is it? "Just cause what I say pisses you off does not mean that I said it just to piss you off." Me
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Hill Billy Member (Idle past 5384 days) Posts: 163 From: The hills Joined: |
All we are saying is that the issue is one of common sense. Taz, you joker. If it was so common, sense that is, wouldn't it be ,um, more common?Would you hire a certified engineer to design a bridge or would you hire any regular folk you pulled off the street? I'll try and make it simple. A certified engineer is, in fact, just regular folk. If you think the way I do. Do you disagree? "Just cause what I say pisses you off does not mean that I said it just to piss you off." Me
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Hill Billy Member (Idle past 5384 days) Posts: 163 From: The hills Joined: |
Trixie, do you remember your school days? Were there any instances of big mean stupid jocks stuffing scrawny science and math geeks into lockers? ( wonder how many here are intimately familiar with the inside of a locker.) You have kids, any issues with bullying? A funny thing happens sometimes, sometimes these kids who get bullied grow up to be bullies. Sometimes they become cops, those guys can be scary. More often they discover that there can be power in knowledge and they use their intellect and education as weapons. It's not so bloody so most of it slides under the radar but I'm pretty sure that most people learn at a young age that mean people suck. Bullies, or mean people feel that they are entitled to act any way they want. They display a complete disregard for other peoples feelings, or even worse, they prey on others feelings,intending to cause pain.
Bullies piss me off. What about you?
I expect others to place me based on what I say, i.e., I expect them to draw their own tentative conclusions, based on the evidence they have. Ok, let's have a look at what you say. In Your very, very first address to me you say:
To be honest, this is just so much garbage. Hmmm, now first off, does this statement seem tentative to you? Some people would call this a value statement. It is a clear declaration of value, not at all tentative. A declaration that my words have no value. Now, remember what Nator said:
The only thing any of us have to go on here is what we read, you know. So, you have clearly declared that I have no value. You have not declared your own value so I assume you ascribe to yourself some value. The first thing you say to me is that You are more valuable than me. Then, just in case I missed it you follow with :
I can't stop you spouting garbage And then :I don't think I'm a more valuable person What? Hang on just a second. Is there not a principle somewhere about statements that contradict each other? Doesn't at least one of those statements need to be false? I think I know which one. What was it you were saying about insults? I have questions. If this basic scientific principle of things being tentative is so sound then why not apply it in other areas of life, why just science? Why not have a scientific attitude? Why not assume you might be wrong? If You don't apply this principle in every day life do you expect people to believe that you will apply it at work? Just so we are clear on everything, I believe that this thread: http://EvC Forum: Anyone else notice this pattern? -->EvC Forum: Anyone else notice this pattern? opened by someone who disparately wants to belong to the bully club, is the intellectual equivalent of locker stuffing. You should be ashamed of yourself. Shouldn't you? For participating. You can stomp your feet and say no if you want. You can rationalize, justify, cry, deny. Don't matter much to me. I think, based on the evidence, I see you for what you are. A bully. Edited by Hill Billy, : Uuummmm Edited by Hill Billy, : No reason given. "Just cause what I say pisses you off does not mean that I said it just to piss you off." Me
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Hill Billy Member (Idle past 5384 days) Posts: 163 From: The hills Joined: |
Bluejay,
I'm surprised that no one's lost their head over this forum yet. I'm surprised that you think no one has lost their head yet.
I was going to stay out of it, because I have been having difficulty controlling my passions on this subject. Passion is difficult to control. That you for helping to clarify one of the points I'm trying to make.
I don't think it's fair to say any group of people is full of themselves. Even putting the word 'generally' before the claim doesn't make it okay. We are all condescending to each other (myself included) at least sometimes. Again, thank you. That, of course is really the "crux of the matter", isn't it?
From my perspective, I find it extremely prideful to reject all material evidence in favor of belief in something based on personal feelings. Anyone who holds his or her own feelings as more legitimate than something that can be slapped down on the table in front of him or her obviously feels that his or her feelings are more 'valuable' than any amount of work, education or other effort. The same can be said about someone who puts those same feelings as more credible than the dedicated work, education and academic sacrifice of thousands of people over the last 150 years. I see this as, not only prideful, but ignorant, self-important and downright perverse. I wonder why you would think I disagree with that.
Obviously, Hill Billy and others on this forum do not agree with me. If you don't mind, exactly what evidence did you use to come to this conclusion? Perhaps your emotions were more involved in the process than you are aware. As to your afterlife experience, I can't really speak to that, nor have I. Have I? My guess is you will find out when your time comes. "Just cause what I say pisses you off does not mean that I said it just to piss you off." Me
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Hill Billy Member (Idle past 5384 days) Posts: 163 From: The hills Joined: |
Dr.
You may be a master debater..... or an intellectual master baiter, I don't know but
I find it interesting how during your long whine about how disagreeing with you is the same as bullying you and saying that you have "no value", you manage to take a little time off to fantasize about your posts making Trixie cry, and to point out your utter indifference to her feelings. I find it interesting that when you respond to my posts you SEEM to be responding to how you feel as opposed what I wrote in words that you could read if you wanted to. Edited by Hill Billy, : No reason given. "Just cause what I say pisses you off does not mean that I said it just to piss you off." Me
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Hill Billy Member (Idle past 5384 days) Posts: 163 From: The hills Joined: |
A little birdie said:
At the end of the debate, both groups think the other is stubborn, self-important and condescending, and both groups walk away thinking they won the debate. Them little birdies sure seem to see a lot. "Just cause what I say pisses you off does not mean that I said it just to piss you off." Me
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Hill Billy Member (Idle past 5384 days) Posts: 163 From: The hills Joined: |
Dr.
Whom do you hope to deceive by saying this? Please clarify this deception you refer to. You see, it does seem to me that your emotions are very involved in your responses and I do find that interesting. I am also suggesting that you are blending my words with a lot of your fantasy. Sort of like the way you fantasize here
Everyone reading this thread can see perfectly well that I was replying to words of yours which I not only read, but quoted. that you can somehow supernaturally know what everyone else sees. I know its a fantasy cause it was spelled out so clearly in this very thread exactly what a fantasy is. I guess a person can read pretty much whatever they want into whatever they read. Edited by Hill Billy, : No reason given. "Just cause what I say pisses you off does not mean that I said it just to piss you off." Me
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Hill Billy Member (Idle past 5384 days) Posts: 163 From: The hills Joined: |
Trixie, I'm still new at this science thing so please bear with me.
You have very graciously described to me the basics of science. Like being tentative, presenting your findings, including the methodology, and the like. My last post to you was an attempt to implement these principals. Seems I was unsuccessful. Or perhaps I was successful and my findings invalidated your own.
You couldn't be further off the mark if you tried in your assessment of me. What evidence did you use to come to this conclusion? With the same evidence might I draw the same tentative conclusion? Trixie, in my last post I posed no less that 14 questions. You answered none.
Let's just say that you're far superior to me, you're so much more valuable than me and I bow to your magnificent presence. There, happy now? How bout lets just say you have planted your fingers in your ears and are yelling " LaLaLaLa ICANTHEARYOU! " Is that a scientific attitude? " If a body don't wanna hear what you're sayin it don't matter much how you say it" Some hillbilly.
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Hill Billy Member (Idle past 5384 days) Posts: 163 From: The hills Joined: |
Beginning with the premise that evolutionists feel superior I was nudged into a re evaluation early in this thread. The new premise being, that the educated feel superior.
After a lot consideration, much of it prompted by the writings of C.F.O. and others in his camp, as well as my own feelings I, once again, am pressed into adopting a new position. Based on the evidence, it seems that.... PEOPLE FEEL SUPERIOR. Am I the only one who wonders how much effect emotions have on peoples conclusions? Can a person be unaware of the influence of their emotions on their decisions? Can a person act or even think independently of their emotions? " If a body don't wanna hear what you're sayin it don't matter much how you say it" Some hillbilly.
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Hill Billy Member (Idle past 5384 days) Posts: 163 From: The hills Joined: |
Looking through a fair sampling of your postings, I am having a hard time convincing myself that your collective output is anything more than totally worthless. This may be cause I'm an uneducated boob with little or no writing skills.
Might we try posting messages that shows some sincerity towards having a real discussion? Seriously, I am trying, and will try harder. Throw in my contrary nature and I,m sure given enough time I can prove conclusively that I'm a complete idiot. This is not intended as a smart assed remark but an admission that I'm not doin so well gettin my points across.Feel free to respond to me in this topic. But it better be good. I'm not sure I will ever measure up, but I will keep trying as long as I'm allowed. " If a body don't wanna hear what you're sayin it don't matter much how you say it" Some hillbilly.
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Hill Billy Member (Idle past 5384 days) Posts: 163 From: The hills Joined: |
You say:
No, the better educated feel better educated. That's all. Really? So educated folks don't feel sad, or lonely , or angry? Are you trying to tell me that educated people only feel one emotion, better educated? Hummm, now who is trying to deceive who here?
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Hill Billy Member (Idle past 5384 days) Posts: 163 From: The hills Joined: |
Trixie, I must apologize. My muddled thinking and careless and unclear writing has led to a complete misunderstanding.
I can't stop you spouting garbage You are absolutely correct, there is no contradiction there. I don't think I'm a more valuable person The statements I intended to refer to were :To be honest, this is just so much garbage. Which, in MY VIEW, is a value statement and an insult and in direct contradiction to this statement:
I don't think I'm a more valuable person You suggest that I should know the difference between my words and Me. I ask you "What else of Me is there here?" My words are the only thing you have. You can't see me smile or frown, you can't see my tongue planted in my cheek. So, in regards to this forum, my words are Me. If you can't see that then communication with you may be not be possible. As for my closing remarks,
You should be ashamed of yourself. Shouldn't you? For participating. Shouldn't you? And this:
You can stomp your feet and say no if you want. You can rationalize, justify, cry, deny. Don't matter much to me. I was merely attempting to illustrate some of the options available to you. Surely, You had many other choices available. As to thisI think, based on the evidence, I see you for what you are. I arrived at a TENTATIVE conclusion. Please, show me I'm wrong. Show me some evidence that will invalidate my findings.A bully. " If a body don't wanna hear what you're sayin it don't matter much how you say it" Some hillbilly.
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Hill Billy Member (Idle past 5384 days) Posts: 163 From: The hills Joined: |
What, this one?
No, the better educated feel better educated. That's all. I agree. " If a body don't wanna hear what you're sayin it don't matter much how you say it" Some hillbilly.
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