Evolutionary superiority

Thank you. As our host,what you have to say is very important to me.Point taken.I will try and wrap it up all tidy like.I believe the following statement is true: Therefore it is difficult, if not impossible, to determine if our conclusions are true.In fact, to have any hope of making this determination one must first assume that their conclusions may be false. Only then can those conclusions be compared with alternatives.Is this not the basis of science? In fact, is this not science itself?Is not scientific thinking in fact,the assumption that all conclusions may be false?After six months of reading here, what stands out the most to me is that most everyone here is absolutely convinced of the truth of their conclusions. Very few here seem even the slightest bit interested in hearing what anyone else has to say.( you know, alternatives ) That leaves you with a science themed discussion board with very few scientific thinkers.Would you like some more?Edited by Hill Billy, : Fergot a word

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"Just cause what I say pisses you off does not mean that I said it just to piss you off." Me

Trixie. might be answered with this. So, please, how do YOU know who's who?How do You know who to trust?Is it wise to trust someone who is absolutely certain their conclusions are true?

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"Just cause what I say pisses you off does not mean that I said it just to piss you off." Me

Trixie If you were to say "most" scientists, we would be in complete agreement. Um, isn't it people who draw conclusions? See,here's what I'm wonderin,can science really draw a conclusion if it is a kind of conclusion itself ? ( The conclusion that all conclusions may be false.) So, are you saying that some conclusions are in fact true? If they go through this rigorous process, that is? I think if you were insulted by this remark,then you must place yourself among those who do not think scientifically. Is this correct? I mean thinking about science is not the same as scientifically thinkin.Is it?

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"Just cause what I say pisses you off does not mean that I said it just to piss you off." Me

Taz, you joker. If it was so common, sense that is, wouldn't it be ,um,more common? I'll try and make it simple.A certified engineer is, in fact, just regular folk.If you think the way I do.Do you disagree?

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"Just cause what I say pisses you off does not mean that I said it just to piss you off." Me

Trixie, do you remember your school days? Were there any instances of big mean stupid jocks stuffing scrawny science and math geeks into lockers? ( wonder how many here are intimately familiar with the inside of a locker.) You have kids, any issues with bullying? A funny thing happens sometimes, sometimes these kids who get bullied grow up to be bullies. Sometimes they become cops, those guys can be scary. More often they discover that there can be power in knowledge and they use their intellect and education as weapons. It's not so bloody so most of it slides under the radar but I'm pretty sure that most people learn at a young age that mean people suck. Bullies, or mean people feel that they are entitled to act any way they want. They display a complete disregard for other peoples feelings, or even worse, they prey on others feelings,intending to cause pain.Bullies piss me off.What about you? Ok, let's have a look at what you say.In Your very, very first address to me you say: Hmmm, now first off, does this statement seem tentative to you?Some people would call this a value statement. It is a clear declaration of value, not at all tentative. A declaration that my words have no value.Now, remember what Nator said: So, you have clearly declared that I have no value. You have not declared your own value so I assume you ascribe to yourself some value. The first thing you say to me is that You are more valuable than me. Then, just in case I missed it you follow with : And then : What? Hang on just a second. Is there not a principle somewhere about statements that contradict each other? Doesn't at least one of those statements need to be false? I think I know which one. What was it you were saying about insults?I have questions.If this basic scientific principle of things being tentative is so sound then why not apply it in other areas of life, why just science? Why not have a scientific attitude? Why not assume you might be wrong?If You don't apply this principle in every day life do you expect people to believe that you will apply it at work?Just so we are clear on everything, I believe that this thread: http://EvC Forum: Anyone else notice this pattern? -->EvC Forum: Anyone else notice this pattern?opened by someone who disparately wants to belong to the bully club, is the intellectual equivalent of locker stuffing.You should be ashamed of yourself. Shouldn't you? For participating.You can stomp your feet and say no if you want. You can rationalize, justify, cry, deny. Don't matter much to me. I think, based on the evidence, I see you for what you are.A bully.Edited by Hill Billy, : UuummmmEdited by Hill Billy, : No reason given.

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"Just cause what I say pisses you off does not mean that I said it just to piss you off." Me

Bluejay, I'm surprised that you think no one has lost their head yet. Passion is difficult to control. That you for helping to clarify one of the points I'm trying to make. Again, thank you. That, of course is really the "crux of the matter", isn't it? I wonder why you would think I disagree with that. If you don't mind, exactly what evidence did you use to come to this conclusion? Perhaps your emotions were more involved in the process than you are aware.As to your afterlife experience, I can't really speak to that, nor have I. Have I? My guess is you will find out when your time comes.

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"Just cause what I say pisses you off does not mean that I said it just to piss you off." Me

Dr.You may be a master debater..... or an intellectual master baiter, I don't know but I find it interesting that when you respond to my posts you SEEM to be responding to how you feel as opposed what Iwrotein wordsthat you could readif you wanted to.Edited by Hill Billy, : No reason given.

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"Just cause what I say pisses you off does not mean that I said it just to piss you off." Me

A little birdie said: Them little birdies sure seem to see a lot.

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"Just cause what I say pisses you off does not mean that I said it just to piss you off." Me

Dr. Please clarify this deception you refer to.You see, it does seem to me that your emotions are very involved in your responses and I do find that interesting. I am also suggesting that you are blending my words with a lot of your fantasy. Sort of like the way you fantasize here that you can somehow supernaturally know what everyone else sees. I know its a fantasy cause it was spelled out so clearly in this very thread exactly what a fantasy is.I guess a person can read pretty much whatever they want into whatever they read.Edited by Hill Billy, : No reason given.

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"Just cause what I say pisses you off does not mean that I said it just to piss you off." Me

Trixie, I'm still new at this science thing so please bear with me.You have very graciously described to me the basics of science. Like being tentative, presenting your findings, including the methodology, and the like.My last post to you was an attempt to implement these principals. Seems I was unsuccessful.Or perhaps I was successful and my findings invalidated your own. What evidence did you use to come to this conclusion? With the same evidence might I draw the same tentative conclusion?Trixie, in my last post I posed no less that 14 questions. You answered none. How bout lets just say you have planted your fingers in your ears and are yelling " LaLaLaLa ICANTHEARYOU! "Is that a scientific attitude?

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" If a body don't wanna hear what you're sayin it don't matter much how you say it" Some hillbilly.

Beginning with the premise that evolutionists feel superior I was nudged into a re evaluation early in this thread. The new premise being, that the educated feel superior.After a lot consideration, much of it prompted by the writings of C.F.O. and others in his camp, as well as my own feelings I, once again, am pressed into adopting a new position.Based on the evidence, it seems that....PEOPLE FEEL SUPERIOR.Am I the only one who wonders how much effect emotions have on peoples conclusions?Can a person be unaware of the influence of their emotions on their decisions?Can a person act or even think independently of their emotions?

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" If a body don't wanna hear what you're sayin it don't matter much how you say it" Some hillbilly.

This may be cause I'm an uneducated boob with little or no writing skills. Seriously, I am trying, and will try harder.Throw in my contrary nature and I,m sure given enough time I can prove conclusively that I'm a complete idiot.This is not intended as a smart assed remark but an admission that I'm not doin so well gettin my points across. I'm not sure I will ever measure up, but I will keep trying as long as I'm allowed.

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" If a body don't wanna hear what you're sayin it don't matter much how you say it" Some hillbilly.

You say:Really? So educated folks don't feel sad, or lonely , or angry? Are you trying to tell me that educated people only feel one emotion, better educated?Hummm, now who is trying to deceive who here?

Trixie, I must apologize. My muddled thinking and careless and unclear writing has led to a complete misunderstanding. You are absolutely correct, there is no contradiction there.The statements I intended to refer to were :Which, in MY VIEW, is a value statement and an insult and in direct contradiction to this statement: You suggest that I should know the difference between my words and Me. I ask you "What else of Me is there here?" My words are the only thing you have. You can't see me smile or frown, you can't see my tongue planted in my cheek. So, in regards to this forum, my words are Me. If you can't see that then communication with you may be not be possible.As for my closing remarks, Shouldn't you?And this: I was merely attempting to illustrate some of the options available to you. Surely, You had many other choices available.As to this I arrived at a TENTATIVE conclusion. Please, show me I'm wrong. Show me some evidence that will invalidate my findings.

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" If a body don't wanna hear what you're sayin it don't matter much how you say it" Some hillbilly.

What, this one? I agree.

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" If a body don't wanna hear what you're sayin it don't matter much how you say it" Some hillbilly.