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dwise1 Member Posts: 5952 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
DWise1 writes: In my experience it has not ever done it even once. Which makes Macs non-intuitive to that person. I don't know what to tell you. I've even had the exact experience you mentioned - started a Search, then manually located the file by inspection, and even as I'm staring right at it, Search has no idea where it is. I tried to repeat your problem. Ran the Search function from the Start Menu and gave it the exact file name and the directory it's in. Found it right away. So then I did something that I had never tried before. Having navigated to that directory already in Windows Explorer -- had to in order to a specific filename --, I clicked on the Search button there and told it what specific file to look for (I even gave it the name of a different file in that directory. Found it right away. It works with no problem. Don't know what your problem is. Unless you either mentally incompetent or too inflexible and unable to consider using it as it's intended to be used. Which tells me that your persistent mischaracterizations of me are simply projecting your own personal flaws on others.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5952 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2
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Message 183:
Percy writes:
If someone somewhere in this thread is arguing that the iPad replaces the PC (i.e., does everything the PC does just as well or at least well enough) then I somehow missed it.Taz writes: DWise1 writes: Who proposes this? The proposition was that the iPad replaces the PC. In the OP, Message 1:
Taz writes: I must say, I have not touched my laptop for 3 months now. The device is quite an engineering marvel. I can use it both as a tablet and as a laptop when I want to. . . . Anyone else here has moved beyond the PC era? OK, so the Asus, not the iPad. Sorry. But it was still presented as replacing your PC. Which begs the larger question of whether these devices can indeed replace the PC and what it would take to do so. And I certainly saw your OP as proposing that question. Edited by dwise1, : No reason given. Edited by dwise1, : No reason given.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5952 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
This sounds like pure "Not what I'm used to," namely "old guy syndrome." Not in the least part. Absolutely first exposure to an iPad; indeed, my niece, the one there with the most iPad experience, was the one operating it. I knew what Google Earth does and much of what it can do, including measuring distances. The most immediate question was how to get to that feature, followed by whether it even has that feature at all in the iPad version. Now, on my Android phone, if I'm in an app and I want to see whether I can do a particular thing, I press the Menu "button" so that I can search through the menu for that feature. That would have been my first choice to go exploring, assuming that there even is a menu button on the iPad, which I still do not know but which my niece, being the most experience one there, should have known. So then, no, I wasn't used to it because that was my absolutely first exposure to one. Even "young punks" will go through the exact same thing. So then, no denial at all. Just stating the facts. You are just falling victim to crash's mischaracterization of me.
Same thing for Windows versus Mac/Os. You can complain about Mac's all you like, but the bottom line evidence says they're just as good and that it's just a matter of what you're used to.
Overpriced and often underpowered. Very restrictive and problems with software availability. Also restricted pretty much to home use, school use (just because of their aggressive campaigns schools to use them, which ends up meaning that those kids grow up having to learn Windows anyway, the OS that they'll actually be working with), and work in graphics and sound arts. And as product placement items in movies and on TV. Certainly not in any engineering work nor in any office environment that I've ever encountered.
. . . but somehow there's a single company beating the entire PC industry's butt that uses only that OS. Yeah, right, just like the ICR's claims of decisive victories in key debates where the actual result was the shelving of proposed creationist curricula (thinking in particular of the circa-1980 Tampa debates between first Morris and then Gish against Ken Miller.). And the reason why their OS is restricted to them (partly also responding to Crash's bragging that you can't run OSX under Windows) is because Apple refuses to license it for any other computer; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_mac:
quote: Doesn't make one or the other inherently superior or inferior. But since Apple is staying away from entire segments of industry.
http://en.wikipedia.org/...arket_share_and_user_demographics:
quote: Hardly "beating the entire PC industry's butt".
There are more ways to be productive than just the way you're used to. Yes, that is true and I agree. But where did I say any different?
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
The proposition was that the iPad replaces the PC. Um, don't you have to have a computer to set-up your iPad?
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Percy Member Posts: 22504 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
dwise1 writes: You are just falling victim to crash's mischaracterization of me. I was just doing a quick scan of thread - I didn't read any of Crash's characterizations of you. It was something you wrote that caught my eye, and incredible as it might seem, I formed my opinion based on what you wrote.
There are more ways to be productive than just the way you're used to. Yes, that is true and I agree. But where did I say any different? Then why do you care whether someone thinks Windows is better than Mac/OS or that a tablet is better than a PC? --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22504 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Catholic Scientist writes: Um, don't you have to have a computer to set-up your iPad? Anyone know how Apple solves this problem:
Apple: Apple hot line. Caller: I just bought a new iPad2 and I can't get it to do anything. Apple: You have to dock it to a computer to initialize it first. Caller: I don't have a computer. --Percy
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Anyone know how Apple solves this problem: Apple: Apple hot line.Caller: I just bought a new iPad2 and I can't get it to do anything. Apple: You have to dock it to a computer to initialize it first. Caller: I don't have a computer. Apple: Let me introduce you to our full line of Mac compu... Fanboy Caller:
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 830 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
I figured Reddit to be a tad liberal for you, CS.
"Why don't you call upon your God to strike me? Oh, I forgot it's because he's fake like Thor, so bite me" -Greydon Square
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
I figured Reddit to be a tad liberal for you, CS.
To be hilarious and entertaining? Nah... I just love funny pictures.
Though, I did get a few downvotes for a comment I made about Mexicans... but then I just stopped doing that.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5952 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
Then why do you care whether someone thinks Windows is better than Mac/OS or that a tablet is better than a PC? Not at all what I've been saying. What I have been uttering has been the unspeakable heresy that the Mac is not superior, something that notbody seems able to tolerate. The Mac is no more intuitive to use than any other GUI and it has a very definite learning curve that a new user must get past, the same as with any other GUI. And as a result I have been persistently subjected to character assasination. Nor is it a question of whether a tablet is better than a PC, but rather that the current tablets, especially the iPads, are most definitely not replacements for PCs, except for those people whose uses for PCs are restricted to the few PC tasks that they can also do (eg, web access). Tablets do have other capabilities that PCs don't, primarily related to mobility. Tablets can augment and extend out use of PCs, but not completely replace them. Two sets of simple and obvious truths. So why should they be so despised and vehemently opposed?
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Percy Member Posts: 22504 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Hi DWise1,
I don't see what you've written previously as giving the same impression as what you've just written. These pointless technology flame wars erupt all the time. There are so many features and options to features and variations on options to features and endless interplay between tools and all their features and options, not to mention the incredible variety of human factors, that discussions will never end.
... the current tablets, especially the iPads, are most definitely not replacements for PCs... There seems to be somewhat of a consensus that you're picking on a strawman here. No one's claiming that tablets replace PC's, except maybe for the Asus Transformer, which is actually a sort of tablet/PC hybrid. --Percy
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 830 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
There seems to be somewhat of a consensus that you're picking on a strawman here. No one's claiming that tablets replace PC's, except maybe for the Asus Transformer, which is actually a sort of tablet/PC hybrid. Well, the thread title does contain post-pc era and the OP goes on about tablets as being the kick off of this "post-PC era", which tells me as well that the OP thinks we have moved beyond the PC because of tablet computers."Why don't you call upon your God to strike me? Oh, I forgot it's because he's fake like Thor, so bite me" -Greydon Square
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Percy Member Posts: 22504 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
In the September, 2008, issue of Communications of the ACM (Association of Computing Machinery) Professor Michael Cusumano of MIT's Sloan School of Management writes about the opportunities lost by Apple's pursuit of great products at the expense of great industry-wide platforms. Some of what he says applies to this discussion, e.g.:
Michael Cusumano writes: We can define the term platform as a foundation product or key technology in a system like the PC or a Webenabled cell phone. A platform should have relatively open technical interfaces and easy licensing terms in order to encourage other firms to contribute complementary products and services. These external innovations create an ecosystem around the platform. The critical distinguishing feature of a platform is network externalities: the more external firms in the network that create complementary innovations, the more valuable the platform becomes. This dynamic should cause more users to adopt the platform, more complementors to enter the ecosystem, more users to adopt, almost ad infinitum. Sound familiar? It should, it's the Microsoft strategy. Later he continues:
Michael Cusumano writes: Apple chose to optimize the hardware-software system and monopolize revenues from the product. By contrast, a platform strategy would have meant licensing the Macintosh operating system widely and working openly with other companies and complement producers to evolve the platform and create applications for the mass market. Apple did not do this and remained (for the most part) the only producer of the Mac, keeping prices high (about twice the cost of an IBM-compatible PC using technology from Microsoft and Intel) and diffusion low. He appears to share the commonly held view of the superiority of some aspects of the Mac interface:
Michael Cusumano writes: The Macintosh survived as a second standard with a few percent of the market only because it found two niches - desktop publishing as well as consumers who were willing to pay for an easier-to-use and more elegant product. Link to the full article (I don't think they've blocked public access to this, since it's just a column): Technology Strategy and Management: The Puzzle of Apple --Percy Edited by Percy, : Fix bad cut-n-paste.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5952 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
As hooah points out, the very title of the topic speaks of PCs being replaced. And the OP and a number of respondents spoke of their "post-PC" devices having replaced their PCs. Therefore, the subject of tablets et al. replacing PCs was both implicit in the title and explicit in a number of messages.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
As hooah points out, the very title of the topic speaks of PCs being replaced. And the OP and a number of respondents spoke of their "post-PC" devices having replaced their PCs. Therefore, the subject of tablets et al. replacing PCs was both implicit in the title and explicit in a number of messages. How can a tablet replace a PC when you need a PC to operate the tablet?
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