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Taz
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Message 1 of 429 (633189)
09-12-2011 11:57 PM


We all have heard of the ipad and ipad 2. Being a geek, I was excited when the post-PC gadgets were coming out. But I didn't get the ipad or ipad 2 because I couldn't justify getting it. For me, it was only worth it if I could be productive with it. But when I looked at the ipad and ipad 2, I couldn't see myself being very productive with it. Sure, it's a nice gaming platform. But that's about it.

Well, recently, another company came out with something far better. I'm referring to the asus transformer. Google it if you don't know what I'm talking about.

I must say, I have not touched my laptop for 3 months now. The device is quite an engineering marvel. I can use it both as a tablet and as a laptop when I want to. Not only that, I am finding myself hating more and more the touchpad that comes with every laptop out there. Touch screen is 10 times more convenient.

To add on top of that, I recently soldered in a 500 GB hdd into the keyboard dock as well as a little switch that turns on/off the hdd to save battery life. It's quite cool.

Anyone else here has moved beyond the PC era?


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Message 45 of 429 (633384)
09-13-2011 8:27 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by Percy
09-13-2011 9:38 AM


Re: You Can't Hover With a Tablet
Percy writes:

PS - I know that tablets can already easily interface to HDTVs, I've done it with my iPad2, but it ain't pretty, some sites like Hulu don't support it, others like Netflix restrict content, so I still consider this feature very much a work in progress


You're not a hacker, are you? Hulu works just fine if you do a bit of hacking.

hooah212002 writes:

sure, I'll go with that. they just need way more storage space to really be feasible.


Haha, you missed the part where I soldered in a 500 GB hard drive inside my tablet.
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Message 46 of 429 (633385)
09-13-2011 8:30 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by Theodoric
09-13-2011 9:44 AM


Theodoric writes:

I have been looking at the Transformer. MY wife needs a tablet of some sort for her work. She is currently still using an old Palm Pilot she originally got in residency 7 years ago. There have been some battery issues and app support for it is drying up. Lots of people are suing the Ipad but I see huge issues with it. Primarily that you need an Itunes account to effectively use it. Also, I do not want any tablet that is tied into a wireless carrier. I am not going to pay extra for a data package. If there is no wifi available then we wont need to access the internet.

I has high hopes for the HP Touchpad, but it seems it was oversold and underbuilt.

USB support is a big thing for me. I do not want to have to transfer everything wirelessly. I understand a new transformer is due in October. This will ahve the new Tegra 3 Kal-El chip and run the Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich operating system. If the reviews are good and if the new medical records system at the clinic will support it, I think my wife may get one for Christmas.

I am willing to take other suggestions, but I really want to stay away from the Ipad.


Get the transformer. I am more productive than ever before with the transformer. And if you know a little bit about soldering, you can solder in a 500 GB or 1T hard drive inside the tablet. Heat is not an issue. Trust me.

The keyboard dock has 2 usb ports and a full size sdcard slot. The keyboard is 98% full size.

The problem the transformer is having is that apple has managed to convince the populace that the tablet platform is strictly for fun and games. There is no better demonstration of this than the people I work with. They'd take their ipad 2s out to play with, but when it comes time for work they'd take out their laptops. I just click my transformer into the keyboard dock and work.

I also use my transformer for viewing autocad and pdf files. Using a dagi stylus, I can write straight into the pdf files using repligo.

My wife is a therapist. She uses her transformer for pretty much everything she does. The thing is a work of art!

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Message 48 of 429 (633388)
09-13-2011 8:44 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by Capt Stormfield
09-13-2011 5:05 PM


Re: Luddite Schmuddite
Well, I use a 24 inch screen for my desktop at home (I'm using it right now) to do heavy duty work.

But there is no doubt that the asus transformer has transformed my life like nothing else. Instead of carrying around several reference books like ASTM and ACI, I now take everything with me in pdf format. I can actually look up things a lot faster, too, with all my pdf bookmarks.

The transformer is not just a tablet. It's a tablet-laptop hybrid. It's not meant to replace a desktop. For those of us who are out of the house most of the day, the light weight of the tablet form coupled with the transformer's 16 hour battery life really is the best thing that has ever happened.

My laptop has been sitting in my room collecting dust for 4 months now. Have not turned it on at all in the last 4 months.


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Message 49 of 429 (633389)
09-13-2011 8:46 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by crashfrog
09-13-2011 8:42 PM


Re: Itunes account
(1) I predict that within a year or so android will make a bigger splash than iOS will ever. Android is very quickly becoming a full operating system while iOS remains just a phone OS.

(2) Regarding fragmentation, google has begun taking steps to pull all the pieces back together. If you haven't noticed, the source code of honeycomb has not been released and may never be released.

(3) Have I mentioned iOS sucks


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Message 57 of 429 (633407)
09-13-2011 11:08 PM
Reply to: Message 56 by Percy
09-13-2011 9:41 PM


Re: Luddite Schmuddite
I'm using repligo. Well, I use 2 apps to handle my pdf files. I use EZPDF to place bookmarks and comments. But on the go, I use repligo to look up bookmarks and write in comments. Repligo is by far the best pdf handler I have ever had.
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Message 135 of 429 (633805)
09-16-2011 2:07 PM
Reply to: Message 118 by dwise1
09-15-2011 6:20 PM


Re: No Macs for me, thank you very much!
First of all guys (this is to all of you), I'm almost 30 so I'm getting too old to keep up with you youngsters.

Anyway...

dwise1 writes:

When I had to turn my company phone in and needed to buy one, my first decision was to not get an iPhone. Apple software is just confusing to use. I worked just fine with DOS from 1985 to 1996. I've been very productive with Windows. I can even work on a Linux box. But trying to do anything productive on a Mac is just an exercise in frustration. I did get a iPod and even the Windows version of iTunes is too user-unfriendly. And unfortunately, Microsoft keeps trying to make Windows more like the Mac; I feel very hampered working on Windows 7 now and their having fracked up Search (which worked wonderfully up to XP) does not help the matter any.

At a recent family gathering, my niece brought her iPad2, which my great-nephew played on most of the time. When my sisters were trying to remember how far they used to travel to bike to our grandparents' in the next town, I suggested we use Google Earth to figure it out, since I had done that before on Google Earth. So my niece downloaded Google Earth onto her iPad2 and we set up to figure it out. OK, where's the tool bar? It doesn't have a tool bar. Where's the main menu? It doesn't have that either. So how are we to get to the Ruler dialog? Try to right-click on that. What do you mean we can't even right-click on anything? Needless to say, we couldn't accomplish anything except to find where she now lives back east so she could show her mom. I had to wait until I got home and could run the real Google Earth to answer the original question (5 miles one way).

Just sounds like an expensive toy. Even the touchpad typing doesn't appeal to me because I'm a touch-typist. No tactile feedback.


Didn't you know that apple advertises the ipad and ipad 2 as nothing but very expensive cool looking toys?

At where I work, the guys all have ipad 2s. And they continually tell me I wasted my money by buying the transformer rather than the ipad 2. But when they had to do any real work, they would put away their ipad 2s and take out their laptops. For me, I just plug my transformer into my keyboard dock and work from there.

I have not touched my laptop for 4 months now. I either use my desktop at home or when I'm out of the house I use my transformer. It is probably the most productive post-pc device out there.

And that's my main beef with apple in general. Their PR department for years have been dumbing down people by convincing them that they couldn't be productive with their very expensive toys. Of all the ipad and ipad 2 owners that I know and know of, none have figured out a way to be productive with them.

But there are ways to be productive with them. The airlines have recently switched completely to ipad. Read the following stories.

http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/...-pilots-ipad-flight-manuals

http://www.salon.com/technology/ask_the_pilot/?story=/tec...

http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20110830-711471.html

http://reviews.cnet.com/...tas-test-flight-for-air-travelers

http://www.ausbt.com.au/...dreamliner-s-entertainment-system

http://www.guardian.co.uk/...2011/aug/24/ipads-paper-manuals

My uncle is a pilot and he told us all about it. It is the most convenient thing that's ever happened to pilots.

In fact, I've replaced all my manuals with pdfs on my transformer.

I managed to find a very good deal and paid $380 for brand new transformer and keyboard dock. But most people pay $550 for both parts. Most people pay $500 for the ipad. To me, it just seems like a big waste of money if you don't find something productive to do with these new devices.

When I first started using my transformer at work, some people actually laughed at me. Apple had convinced them that you couldn't be productive with a tablet. To them, they couldn't imagine the tablet being anything other than fun and games.

Hear that, apple users? Until apple stop this bullshit about very expensive toys that aren't useful, I will continue to be anti-apple. Tell Steve Jobs to stop advertising the tablet pc as very expensive toys and I'll support apple. In the mean time, I will continue to not use apple products.

PS - It is not a coincidence that almost all apple users I know are also computer illiterates.

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Taz
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Message 142 of 429 (633834)
09-16-2011 5:45 PM
Reply to: Message 139 by dwise1
09-16-2011 4:30 PM


Re: No Macs for me, thank you very much!
dwise1 writes:

what kinds of tasks on the computer does it require you to perform?


I use my pc for heavy duty tasks like making really fancy presentations and autocad. But just to read autocad I can just use the transformer. And yes, having a physical keyboard makes all the difference in the world. It allows me to type up reports right there and then.

I do a combination of concrete tests in the field and in the lab. One of the things we've been working on is an alternate material to act as reinforcement in concrete. Hence me being away from home most of the time. I hardly come here anymore these days.

I don't know about computer engineer like yourself, but over here in the civil/structural, we have to use the ASTM and ACI standards a lot as reference. You wouldn't believe how big these books are. I just use the pdf on my transformer.

And since my transformer + dock is only about 2 lb, I can pretty much take it anywhere I want. With 16 hr battery life, I can go through the entire day without even thinking about looking for an outlet to recharge.

Then, what is it about the iPads vs the Transformer that makes the one unsuitable and the other suitable for performing those tasks? Is it only the ability to attach a physical keyboard to the Transformer, and hence enable one to touch-type, or is there more?

Well, they're both pretty much the same if you ignore the transformer keyboard dock and the extra battery life.

Again, everyone I know has an ipad 2, and none of them use the ipad 2 for productivity. They don't know how. There's no keyboard. It's a bitch to type with the soft keyboard.

The transformer can act both as a laptop and a tablet. When I just need to quickly look up specs as reference, I just use the tablet. When I need to do more heavy typing duties, I just plug it into the keyboard and type away. The keyboard dock will always charge the tablet, so I don't even need to worry about that. And everything I do needs to be documented, so it's always nice to have something so mobile around.

This is not to mention I can hand write directly into my pdf documents as notes for myself.

Young punk! I am currently six months away from retiring from the Navy Reserve. I'm being forced out because I will officially be too old, 60.

Damn, you're old. I'm still waiting for the big 30.

The main point is that that was a lot of material to have to take up with you and that to squeeze all that (except for the devices, whatever they were) into an iPad form-factor reduces a lot of clutter in the cockpit.

Not just the clutter, but also the fuel. My uncle's airline estimates that they'd save about $130 million each year on fuel.

I just hope that they keep a back-up on hand in case of iPad failure or malfunction.

In fact, they have several backups. I think overall they have like one for each pilot and copilot and a few extras. And in the very unlikely event that all of them failed, they can receive instructions over the radio.

Progress!


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Message 143 of 429 (633837)
09-16-2011 5:55 PM
Reply to: Message 141 by Huntard
09-16-2011 5:01 PM


Re: No Macs for me, thank you very much!
Huntard writes:

What makes this one more productive than a jailbroken iPad with a bluetooth keyboard and a portable HD inserted into it's camera connection kit? Has it got some apps the iPad hasn't? I don't know, I haven't had the fortune of working with a Honeycomb tablet yet. If it really is that much better at this stuff, I might just get it and sell my iPad.


You answered your own question. I have 1 thing to carry around that has a touch screen, 98% full size keyboard, 2 usb, a micro sd, full size sdcard slot, an hdmi out, and a 500 GB hard drive, all in one package. This is not to mention the 16 hr battery that I have.

To achieve the same thing with the ipad or ipad 2, you need to carry around a separate bluetooth keyboard, an external hard drive, a charger, and that $40 hdmi adapter for the ipad 2.

Oh wait, there's no usb slot at all for the ipad or ipad 2 so you can't even use an external hard drive. And there's no possibility of micro sd or sdcard expansion.

Are you a fanboy? I've found that fanboys will try everything they can to put down everyone else's devices. Take my experience, for example. I was sitting on the train minding my own business when an ipad 2 owner sat down next to me. He promptly asked me which ipad I had and I said it's not an ipad it's a transformer. He then said, and I swear on my mother's grave, "oh, you have an imitation".

Why care so much about how a product is marketed?

Because there's a lot of potential with the ipad and ipad 2. And I care deeply about my fellow man. Apple is dumbing down the population by making everyone think their $500 device is nothing more than a toy.

Not in my experience, but some are. You should see some of the wondows users where I work though. I have to change their screen resolution for them (and lots of other things, of course), even after I explained to them how to do it.

Well, I've known some pretty dumb windows users, too. But I have never known an apple user in my life that knows half the things I know, and I consider myself a dummy in the tech world.

Added by edit.

This weekend, I plan on installing ubuntu and dual boot with honeycomb in my transformer.

Take that, apple fanboy

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Message 150 of 429 (633860)
09-16-2011 8:27 PM
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09-16-2011 7:51 PM


Re: No Macs for me, thank you very much!
It's not compatible with windows 7 or xp. Trust me, some of us have tried to port it. MS announced, though, that windows 8 is compatible with tegra 2. So, I can't wait to get my hands on windows 8 and try to port it into the transformer. I'm drooling over it right now.
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Message 168 of 429 (633950)
09-17-2011 11:56 AM
Reply to: Message 159 by Percy
09-17-2011 9:57 AM


Re: No Macs for me, thank you very much!
Speak for yourself. My elderly dad skipped the pc completely and went strait for the tablet. He only uses the tablet nowadays. Hardly ever touch the pc. Incredible enough, he finds the touchscreen way easier to use than the mouse.
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Message 176 of 429 (633967)
09-17-2011 2:43 PM
Reply to: Message 169 by crashfrog
09-17-2011 12:03 PM


Re: No Macs for me, thank you very much!
crash writes:

Increasingly, the elderly are finding themselves sequestered from everybody else because they won't use computers, and the reason they won't use them is that they won't play around with them, because as soon as it does something they didn't expect or immediately recognize, they're convinced it's "broken" and stop using it. I once had to "fix" her computer because a pop-up window came up. That's what was broken about it - there was a pop-up window.


One time I built my wife's mom a pc. The following day, she called me with a panic voice and told me the computer was broken and she needed to do some things right away. I had to drive an hour to her place. You know what was wrong? She tried to open her browser in the morning and it failed to load because her internet probably was slow that morning. Rather than pressing the refresh button or wait a minute or two, she made me drive all the way out there for that.

Now, I am not putting down old people. But it seems to me like they don't even try. The moment something unexpected comes up they assume it's "broken".


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Message 184 of 429 (634030)
09-18-2011 11:48 AM
Reply to: Message 180 by dwise1
09-18-2011 9:20 AM


Re: No Macs for me, thank you very much!
dw1 writes:

The proposition was that the iPad replaces the PC.


Who proposes this?
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Message 187 of 429 (634043)
09-18-2011 2:13 PM


Hey crashfrog and other enthusiasts out there, check the following link out.

http://www.onskreen.com/cornerstone/index.php

I've been keeping track of this project for months now. True multi-tasking for android tablets.

Their biggest problem right now is to convince manufacturers to include this in their update. Why? Simply because manufacturers and google are not convinced that people would want something like this. Why? Because only productive people would want to see multiple things at once on their screen, and gamers/surfers only want to see one window.

Again, this goes back to my point earlier. Too many dumbasses in the world who are willing to pay $500+ for a strictly gaming/surfing device. And those of us who use the tablet for more productive tasks are left with the world asking us why would you want to use the tablet for anything other than gaming and surfing?

My ipad 2 owner colleagues still wonders why I'm using a fun and game device for work. They just can't think outside the box for one moment. They can't imagine the tablet being anything other than fun and games. The fact that I haven't touched my laptop for 4 months now is proof enough that my transformer makes my life a lot easier. For once, I'd like to see manufacturers look past these other idiot tablet and ipad owners and see people like me. I have 1 game installed on my transformer.

Goddamn idiots and dumbasses keeping me away from onskreen cornerstone.

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Message 190 of 429 (634048)
09-18-2011 3:10 PM
Reply to: Message 188 by crashfrog
09-18-2011 2:51 PM


crashfrog writes:

Is it proof, perhaps, that your Transformer is actually a laptop with a detachable keyboard?


Absolutely. Remember that when I'm at a test site I only carry around the tablet part to look at specs, take notes, etc. Then back at the office I'd click it into the keyboard to type.

Authoring content? You've found the tablet that has a particular advantage for the kind of content you author, i.e. highly text-based. Photographers are getting a lot of use out of the iPad - being highly productive - by having a large, color-correct portable screen they can hold in their hand and immediately see the picture they just took. Now that Photoshop runs on the iPad even more are switching. Most of the content that most people create right now is text, but that's getting to be less and less the case and as it does, I think we'll see more and more people discovering their productive capacity on simplified tablets and curated filesystems. (I'm starting to think that the iOS approach makes a lot more sense, because it folds in an understanding of what files actually are, and how we want to use them, instead of naively treating all files the same way.)

You're absolutely right. Hence I said before that I believe the ipad has a lot of potential. My complaint is the vast majority of people can't see the ipad or any other tablet as anything other than fun and game.

And manufacturers do notice this. Hence cornerstone's trouble with the manufacturers and google. Cornerstone was meant to run with gingerbread back when ginger came out. It got delayed because no manufacturer would host it. So, now that we're in the honeycomb stage, onskreen is having to ask people to give their perspective on on what they would want a multi-window tablet screen for. Since cornerstone can only run if it's integrated into the system, we can't just install an apk file. And onskreen is having a tough time convincing manufacturers that people would want this.

I don't think that's true; surely some people want to watch netflix and see their IM client? Read a book and see Twitter?

That's what you say. Yet again, manufacturers are telling onskreen to ask potential users why they'd want to see multiple windows on their tablet devices. Manufacturers just aren't interested in this feature because they don't think the general populace want this feature.

None of that is to say that you're wrong, or that your colleagues are any less benighted than you say they are.

Well, to be fair, I think the ipad is terrible for what we do. My colleagues got caught up in the fad that apple created. That is their slogan isn't it? The ipad is the only true tablet out there and everything else is just an imitation.

But I can see how photographers would want the ipad over something like the transformer.

But for those of us who work in a paper hungry field, having the option to type really is much better.

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