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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 829 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
and women's suffrage Oh right. I forgot about the republican primary that is championing for women's freedom."Science is interesting, and if you don't agree you can fuck off." -Dawkins
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ramoss Member (Idle past 640 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
Oh right. I forgot about the republican primary that is championing for women's freedom. And you must not forget, trans vaginal ultrasounds
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Taz Member (Idle past 3319 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Its important because it tells us the societal attitude. Take the Hispanic population for example. Or better, take both the Hispanic and black populations. After decades... centuries of being oppress, over 70% of those sons and daughters of bitches consistently vote against gay rights.
This is exactly why I don't believe in democracy. Too many idiots out there.
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onifre Member (Idle past 2979 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined:
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Just saw this.
Anyway, you just remind me of him that's all. I think I drew the connection where he's both hispanic and a comedian... or he tries to be. Please don't ever compare me to a Mexican again. My family comes from Spain, we're not heathens. However,
I work with a Mexican guy who's also homophobic. Most Mexicans, and latins for that matter, usually are. That's why most share values with republicans and usually vote that way. - Oni
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Most Mexicans, and latins for that matter, usually are. That's why most share values with republicans and usually vote that way. As a matter of fact, most latins do not vote with Republicans regardless of how many values they share with them. In national elections, Republicans feel that getting 35% of voting Hispanics to vote for their party is doing extremely well.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
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onifre Member (Idle past 2979 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
I guess I'm just speaking for Cubans.
- Oni
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Artemis Entreri  Suspended Member (Idle past 4257 days) Posts: 1194 From: Northern Virginia Joined: |
I thought that was because JFK?
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onifre Member (Idle past 2979 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined:
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I thought that was because JFK?
Yes, true. JFK and all the other openly gay presidents. - Oni
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Taz Member (Idle past 3319 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
And so we come back to this. Some of you guys almost had me convinced that societal attitude is changing for the better. And yet Amendment 1 just passed. What say you?
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 829 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
Just because NC has "north" in it's title is not indicative of it's location in the US: it's still a southern state. I think it's clear that most, if not all, southern states are at a minimum a decade behind the remainder of the world as far as way of life and forward thinking is concerned. So, "society" very well could be progressing, but the south still has to catch up, like always.
"Science is interesting, and if you don't agree you can fuck off." -Dawkins
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Jazzns Member (Idle past 3939 days) Posts: 2657 From: A Better America Joined: |
Obama just "evolved" on the whole gay marriage thing. He now supports it.
I would like to think that his original conservativism on this was political rather than this change but either way, this is welcome news. This is proof positive that political involvement doesn't stop on election day. If progressives have been as organized at lobbying for real change as the LGBT community has been, maybe we would have had a real progressive recovery too. Edited by Jazzns, : No reason given.BUT if objects for gratitude and admiration are our desire, do they not present themselves every hour to our eyes? Do we not see a fair creation prepared to receive us the instant we are born --a world furnished to our hands, that cost us nothing? Is it we that light up the sun; that pour down the rain; and fill the earth with abundance? Whether we sleep or wake, the vast machinery of the universe still goes on. Are these things, and the blessings they indicate in future, nothing to, us? Can our gross feelings be excited by no other subjects than tragedy and suicide? Or is the gloomy pride of man become so intolerable, that nothing can flatter it but a sacrifice of the Creator? --Thomas Paine
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Rahvin Member Posts: 4046 Joined: Member Rating: 7.4 |
He supported full gay marriage way back in the 90s.
quote: His "evolution" has merely been to pull back on support for equality for political advantage during his first Presidential bid. He's now simply returned to his previous stance openly. Obama is a politician first, and all of his publicly avowed positions flow from that.The human understanding when it has once adopted an opinion (either as being the received opinion or as being agreeable to itself) draws all things else to support and agree with it. - Francis Bacon "There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." - John Rogers A world that can be explained even with bad reasons is a familiar world. But, on the other hand, in a universe suddenly divested of illusions and lights, man feels an alien, a stranger. His exile is without remedy since he is deprived of the memory of a lost home or the hope of a promised land. This divorce between man and his life, the actor and his setting, is properly the feeling of absurdity. — Albert Camus "...the pious hope that by combining numerous little turds ofvariously tainted data, one can obtain a valuable result; but in fact, the outcome is merely a larger than average pile of shit." Barash, David 1995.
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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Just because NC has "north" in it's title is not indicative of it's location in the US: it's still a southern state. I don't feel any particular need to defend them, but Southern states have no monopoly on being backwards. According to wikipedia, 31 states ban same sex marriage by amendment to their constitution. Here is the complete list of states whose constitutions do not either allow gay marriage or civil unions. I note in passing that Wisconsin is every bit as backwards as North Carolina in this regard. Nebraska, Arkansas, Georgia, Kentucky, Louisiana, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Utah, Kansas, Texas, Alabama, Idaho, South Carolina, South Dakota, Wisconsin, Florida, North Carolina. States with constitutions that ban gay marriage, civil unions, and any arrangement vaguely resembling marriage. Michigan, Virginia. States with constitutions that ban same sex marriages, but possibly leave openings for other unions. Alaska, Nevada, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Oregon, Colorado, Tennessee, Arizona, California. And of course even in states with no such amendment, there may be state legislation that bans gay marriage just as effectively as do the constitutional amendments.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Obama is a politician first, and all of his publicly avowed positions flow from that. Do you think Obama sees a political advantage in being on the record as supporting gay marriage? Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison
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Rahvin Member Posts: 4046 Joined: Member Rating: 7.4 |
Do you think Obama sees a political advantage in being on the record as supporting gay marriage? I think Obama has been walking a very fine political line, and that the recent developments in NC have made him feel even greater pressure from his base to get with the program. He's long been receiving heat from equality-minded groups (which means a very large portion of the Democratic party) since he became President for not going far enough to support gay rights. I think it's a calculated political risk. I don't think he sees "advantage" so much as "if I don't make a clear statement in favor of gay marriage now, I might find a large portion of my base becoming apathetic in November." Damage control rather than gain, in other words. The human understanding when it has once adopted an opinion (either as being the received opinion or as being agreeable to itself) draws all things else to support and agree with it. - Francis Bacon "There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." - John Rogers A world that can be explained even with bad reasons is a familiar world. But, on the other hand, in a universe suddenly divested of illusions and lights, man feels an alien, a stranger. His exile is without remedy since he is deprived of the memory of a lost home or the hope of a promised land. This divorce between man and his life, the actor and his setting, is properly the feeling of absurdity. — Albert Camus "...the pious hope that by combining numerous little turds ofvariously tainted data, one can obtain a valuable result; but in fact, the outcome is merely a larger than average pile of shit." Barash, David 1995.
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