Catholicism versus Protestantism down the centuries

I rest my case. Jar is no Protestant.

It's the KILLING OF THE MEMBERS OF THOSE GROUPS, the killing, the murder, the taking of their LIVES.

I get that. But what you are describing is just murder. There is a reason we have the word genocide. It is not just a different word for killing people.

Again, the Idea was to kill the Indian and "save" the man.Yes, Genocide DOES mean the destruction of a culture or people.We had the Indian Wars; hundreds of Indian Schools, often run by Protestant Christian Churches that took kids from their families, renamed them, forbid them from using their language, wear their traditional clothes, eat their traditional foods; we stole their lands; we forced deportation from their lands; we killed off their food supplies...Faith, as is usually the case it was not JUST Protestants and certainly there were Protestants that opposed those policies just as Protestants supported and opposed slavery, but Protestants have been every bit as evil as Roman Catholics, every bit as genocidal, spreading the Faith by force.As a Christian Protestant I must admit that my faith has been as guilty as all others in the past and that if we are to try to do better we must acknowledge our past sins, repent, confess, try to make amends and try not to make the same mistakes in the future.

Here is some official Protestant action.
Protestant Church Apologizes for Massacring Native AmericansDo you know anything about the Puritans? They were Protestant.
They believed they had a god given right to the native peoples land. They felt if the could not convert the natives it was acceptable to slaughter them.They claimed the Pequot massacres of 1637 were directed by their god.

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Captain John Mason declared, "God laughed his Enemies and the Enemies of his People to Scorn, making them as a fiery Oven ... Thus did the Lord judge among the Heathen, filling the Place with dead Bodies"

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Segal and Stinenback, Puritans, Indians, and Manifest Destiny, pp. 111-112Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.

But that is precisely the "No True Scotsman" - using logic and definition to weasel out of evidence that shows one is clearly wrong.

Fine, chalk it up on the Protstant side of the ledger. If there's anything to argue about I'll come back to it later.

You are making NO sense. Weasel out of WHAT evidence for WHAT?

Of genocide by protestants, as mentioned by jar in Message 122.

IT"s FOR KILLING WHOLE GROUPS OF PEOPLE. KILLING THEM, MURDERING THEM, TAKING THEIR LIVES,

And Protestants are responsible for most of the the genocide of the Native Americans.

You said weaseling out of EVIDENCE. There is no evidence of any sort in what jar said. He used the word "Protestants" a number of times without ever giving the slightest evidence that anybody involved in whatever he was talking about was in fact a Protestant.He never gave one iota of evidence that anything remotely "Protestant" was involved.And when I responded by defining the term I was going back to what I've said dozens of times on this thread is a definition of Protestant belief and the context I've used it in has consistently been in contrast with ROMAN CATHOLIC belief. OFFICIAL DOCTRINE. So I pointed that out too. There's no weaseling of any sort going on here. If he can't show that the people who were doing whatever he says they were doing really were Protestants acting AS Protestants for Protestant purposes he's proved nothing.

BUT none of it was done FOR PROTESTANT PURPOSES as Roman Catholic atrocities were all in the service of their RELIGIOUS GOALS which is the point of this thread believe it or not.And frankly I doubt all this political correctness about genocide anyway, a lot of it is totally out of context, the true history is muddled up by what liberals want us to think, true motives and situations are conveniently forgotten and so on. There were Indians fighting for the French against the English and vice versa, there were some absolutely brutal Indian tribes, there were CATHOLIC PRIESTS involved with the Indian tribes as well, the picture is NOT this simple thing you are all making it out to be as if only this bunch of people called "Protestants" were responsible for whatever. I don't trust any of it. And now when you're trying to pin this vague blanket accusation on "Protestants" forget it. Define your terms, come up with real evidence, names, dates, places, stop just mouthing your favorite canned accusations.

I'm sure that you could find the evidence if you tried. And Theodoric has provided useful links in Message 140.

If you keep doing these mental contortions your head is going to explode.
By all means the actions of the Puritans were for religious goals. It was a theocracy. They were following the will of their god. What the hell else could it have been for?You are the classic.

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Don't confuse me with the facts. My mind is made up.

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I already have. You refuse to even consider the evidence presented. I can provide much more, but your inability to consider reality does not make it worth my time.You are trolling. Until you stop trolling I won't waste my time.Unless of course you again say something exceedingly stupid that I ethically can not let pass unchallenged.Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.