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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.5 |
quote: Not true, as I showed above. Message 350 quote: I would think that being singled out especially, by being given a new name is a pretty good indication to the contrary.
quote: But it doesn't address the issue of Peter having a favoured status among the Apostles.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.5
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quote: But I'm not shifting the argument. I've been consistently pointing out your insistence on authority and tradition dictating interpretation of the Bible for some time.
quote: And a lot of them are believers. They just disagree with the beliefs you cling to. Obviously you don't really regard expertise as something to be recognised and taken into account.
quote: Yet what I am doing is both milder and more justified than your treatment of those who disagree with your dogmas.
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Percy Member Posts: 22508 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
Faith writes: I do think that this whole side issue about who is a Protestant isn't as irrelevant as you are saying because it's all about the topic I was trying so hard to keep in focus -- WHAT Protestantism is. I boiled it down to its essentials, referred to sources, repeated it many times so it wouldn't get lost etc etc and it was still hard to keep it in focus. I really did have the idea that surely people here would be up on the history of these things so I wouldn't have to work so hard but I was wrong. Here's another way to look at it. In any group of participants there will be outliers, those whose opinions or beliefs or approach to discussion or mode of expression is sufficiently different from your own that reaching a meeting of the minds isn't likely. You can waste entire threads seeking common ground. Make your position on the side issues clear, then return to the main topic. Don't mistake those responding most often or objecting most vociferously for your main audience. At the level of discussion of this thread, which is not about defining Protestantism, this quote from Wikipedia should be a sufficient identification of what Protestantism is:
Wikipedia writes: Fundamental principles The three fundamental principles of traditional Protestantism are the following:
Even people with reservations about this definition should find it sufficient for discussing Catholicism versus Protestantism. --Percy
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I have no idea what God would decide after the judgement.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
I have no idea what God would decide after the judgement. Some of us believe very strongly that we are in communion with the Creator of all seen and unseen through communion with His Spirit. Have you never felt this way?
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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I have no idea. Please explain how you know you are in communion with the Creator of all seen and unseen through communion with His Spirit and that it is not simply a bad burrito?
What does that have to do with the topic?Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 315 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
I would think that being singled out especially, by being given a new name is a pretty good indication to the contrary. I don't think he was given a new name. The most obvious reading of Matthew 4 is that Peter was already his nickname: "Now as Jesus was walking by the Sea of Galilee, He saw two brothers, Simon who was called Peter, and Andrew his brother, casting a net into the sea; for they were fishermen. And He said to them, "Follow Me, and I will make you fishers of men."
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.5 |
It could be taken that way, but it could also mean that Peter was the name by which the reader would be expected to know him.
Fortunately Mark 3:16 makes it clearer:
And He appointed the twelve: Simon (to whom He gave the name Peter)
(Luke 6:14 agrees. John 1:42 puts the naming earlier, but still credits Jesus)
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 315 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
OK. Thank you.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I don't remember where I brought up how Protestantism was the source of Capitalism, maybe the Rabbit Trail thread, but the subject clearly belongs here anyway. Turns out that Catholicism has now come out in the open and said as much themselves, condemning it of course and in the process revealing that they support socialism, which is interesting as I've been discovering that myself. I just didn't think they'd admit it. But I guess they are emboldened by what seems to be a great wave of popularity for socialism.
Anyway, here's a book by a Catholic writer denouncing Capitalism as the invention of Protestantism Catholicism, Protestantism and Capitalism which the author describes as inimical to the gospel of Jesus Christ because it supposedly fosters "greed." (put "greed" in the search box for the book at Amazon) Sure sounds like the sort of argument you'd find at EvC so I'm sure you'll all now be very friendly to Rome for sharing your economic vision. JAR has already embraced some major Catholic doctrines, it's just a step or two now to give up the fiction of being a Protestant. The Vatican has also come out and endorsed evolution. Should just warm the cockles of your EvC hearts to now have this religion on your side. I didn't know any of this until quite recently, I would never have thought of attributing Marxism to Rome but even that looks like it has its roots there, nor of attributing Capitalism to Protestantism either although I had heard of Max Weber's study. I didn't know what he had to say about it except something about the Protestant Ethic. Well, I've been finding out much more recently and am convinced that Protestantism is THE reason the West has prospered so in the last few hundred years and that Capitalism grew out of its principles of thrift, investment and self denial (far from greed) and is the great wealth-producer that brought it all about. I've run across many studies showing how Protestant countries thrived and prospered while Catholic countries sank into poverty due to a difference in ethic. Interesting now to find out that Rome hates Capitalism and loves socialism. There's evidence I can dig up for all this but I wanted to sketch out the main outlines first. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.He who surrenders the first page of his Bible surrenders all. --John William Burgon, Inspiration and Interpretation, Sermon II.
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petrophysics1 Inactive Member |
faith writes: Anyway, here's a book by a Catholic writer denouncing Capitalism as the invention of Protestantism Catholicism, Protestantism and Capitalism which the author describes as inimical to the gospel of Jesus Christ because it supposedly fosters "greed." (put "greed" in the search box for the book at Amazon) A strawman, the book cited does not have "Imprimatur" which means it is neither approved or sanctioned by the Catholic Church. Just some screwball's opinion. It would be like me pointing out that the antisemite Luther, Jim Jones, Joe Smith and Faith are all Protestants so Protestantism is a religion of bigots, crazies, delusional people who get gold tablets from angels, and ignorant people who give religion, conservatism, gun ownership and the practice of geology a bad reputation. What sect of Protestantism are you a member of? I need to know as in 63 years I've never run across a Protestant who had so many illogical ideas totally unconnected to reality. Edited by petrophysics1, : typos
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The Catholic site that sells that book sells another half dozen on the same theme. The socialism goes back at least to Aquinas. Does the RC Church bother with imprimaturs any more? But I first encountered this idea in a book by a PROTESTANT, who quotes a lot of Catholic writings.
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Actually, socialism and communism go back at least to Jesus and the disciples. And one of the things Luther was concerned about and stressed in his 95 Thesis was Roman Catholic Capitalism.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I definitely need evidence for that remark about Luther. Where's your link?
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Just like the Bible, you have never read the 95 Thesis either have you Faith?
What was Luther referencing in the 95 Thesis is not the capitalism of selling Indulgences?Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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