Catholicism versus Protestantism down the centuries

This one comment just sums up the depth of all of Faith's arguments. But to continue. There are thousands of people who denounce christian faiths, many of them are christians too.
So if hundreds of people denounced your faith, it would be a christian faith?
Do you have any clue how utterly devoid of logic all of your arguments are? Your hate has turned you into a person totally devoid of any sense of reality.

The standard is scripture.

The Albigenses are your idea of true Christians?

What is the source of your quote? The RCC customarily accused those they persecuted of Gnosticism, which is what that paragraph is describing, or "Manichaeanism," to justify their persecutions. The Reformers, however, found them to be true Bible believers, not gnostic at all.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

The color is blue.This comment makes as much as your response to my post.

Ever hear of the internet and google? If you don't like google, try bing or duckduckgo.

It's that source of all evil, Wikipedia. If you have evidence that they were all really Baptists or something, I should like to see it. Here is some actual Cathar literature. From a modern Protestant point of view it's as heretical as all get out.

What I've said is based only on the understanding that the Reformers found the Albigensians to be genuine Bible believers against the claims of the RCC. Either I heard wrong or their supposed gnostic writings are a forgery, which would also be well within the known doings of the RCC. If I find out I'll let you know.However, the persecution and murder of REAL heretics is no less an abomination than of anyone else.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

What about the persecution and murder of jews and other non-christians? Is that an abomination?

Yes, indeed, and the Inquisition racked up something like 17 million murders of Jews, Muslims, witches and sundry others over their 600 year official reign of terror (which persisted in other centuries less officially). It was the RCC that invented the Jewish ghetto and the identifying badge of the yellow star of David too.

Well, that can happen. There's a couple of things wrong with this idea. First, that's not how you traduce people. You want to make people look bad, you write something like the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Instead what we have is a rather sophisticated and scholarly defense of dualism: If this was written to make the Cathars look bad, why isn't it a recipe for Southern-fried baby? Instead of allowing him to make good points, supported by shrewd scriptural quotations, against the teaching of the Church?The other thing, the more general point, is --- why would the RCC bother to paint us a picture of Cathars as being what we understand Cathars to be?That sentence came out a bit strange, let's see if I can explain my thinking.The RCC was quite happy to condemn proto-Protestants such as the Waldensians for being Waldensians. They accused them of believing in sola scriptura, of not worshiping saints, of criticizing the Papacy, of translating the Bible into the common tongue, etc, etc. They were also happy to condemn and burn the Protestants of the Reformation for the same reasons.So if the Albigensians were more of the same, then why would the same Church find the need to invent a fictitious heresy to burn them for rather than burning them for being more darn Waldensians? What would be the point?

Actually would love to see your evidence for that figure. The ghetto was originally created to give Jews a sage haven from the general population. The ghettos were the safest place for jews to be in the european cities. Also, the star of david was not the most prevalent identifier for jews. Temporal authorities are the ones that enacted the actual laws. SO no the catholic churc did not invent the yellow star of david.Reading. Maybe you should try actually reading some real history books.

Same sparkling sense of humour as always. Did you like the song?Edited by Archer Opteryx, : codeEdited by Archer Opteryx, : Dang! Code again.

Funny it doesn't occur to you that YOU are trusting in whitewashed history."Safe haven" sure sounds like a whitewash to me, and always the people are blamed where the RCC leadership is really the instigator. Who provokes the Catholic people but their own priests? Why would they act against their Church?Also, the state for most of the Middle Ages was pretty much a tool of the RCC. There's another phony distinction.But oh well. I do tend to write from memory so have it your own whitewashed way.

They've gone to greater lengths than that to discredit their enemies.And I also thought the Waldensians were called "Manichaeans."Oh well, more research to be done.I did google a lot of these issues in the last hour and came up with very little. Only a Reformation website, so it calls itself, (Reformation.org I think) that at least lists the Albigensians among the true believers. Now I've lost the link, drat, and I'm too tired to care.