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Author Topic:   Catholicism versus Protestantism down the centuries
ringo
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Message 604 of 1000 (727884)
05-21-2014 12:40 PM
Reply to: Message 603 by NoNukes
05-21-2014 12:17 PM


NoNukes writes:
But the context for 13:5 is the verses before Luke 13:5.
You and Faith are good at cherry-picking your contexts.
Luke 13:1-5 is about victims; Jesus asks if they were worse sinners because they were "punished". He says no, that his audience are equally guilty and must also repent or they too will be punished.
NoNukes writes:
And in 13:11, he teaches yet another lesson. And then in 13:18 he begins yet another lesson.
Luke 13:10 begins a different occasion:
quote:
And he was teaching in one of the synagogues on the sabbath.
It seems pretty clear that the lesson on repentance begins with, "Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish," and ends with, "And if it bear fruit, well: and if not, then after that thou shalt cut it down."

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ringo
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Message 613 of 1000 (727991)
05-22-2014 11:43 AM
Reply to: Message 605 by NoNukes
05-21-2014 5:47 PM


NoNukes writes:
verses 1-4 are examples of sinners and verse instructs that the listeners may be near that fate themselves.
Yes, that's what I said.
NoNukes writes:
What is going on in the verses is Jesus telling his listeners that earthly suffering is not damnation or any indication of sin. And that the listeners who are not suffering are equally sinners who must repent.
Yes. that's what I said.
NoNukes writes:
When they are not present, faith is not present.
Yes, that's what I said.
NoNukes writes:
But faith is not nothing.
Would you care to think that through again? When anything is not present it is nothing.
NoNukes writes:
Surely you are not saying that Jesus meant that if you do enough good deeds, you can move mountains.
I know that in reality the only way to move mountains is by doing deeds. Pardon me for thinking that Jesus may have known that too.

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ringo
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Message 622 of 1000 (728007)
05-22-2014 12:41 PM
Reply to: Message 620 by NoNukes
05-22-2014 12:13 PM


NoNukes writes:
ringo writes:
When anything is not present it is nothing.
You have expressed that even when faith is present it is next to nothing.
Do you understand the difference between "nothing" and "next to nothing"? If your dog is sitting next to you, does that mean your dog is you?

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ringo
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Message 627 of 1000 (728015)
05-22-2014 1:11 PM
Reply to: Message 625 by NoNukes
05-22-2014 12:52 PM


NoNukes writes:
The Gospels include examples of Jesus telling people they are healed through faith or have exhibited faith without any evidence of works.
Jesus often used the word "faith" in the sense of "confidence". Faith will move mountains if you have the confidence that you can move mountains - confidence and a shovel.
Noah had faith in God but he still had to build his own ark. His salvation depended on his deeds.

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ringo
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Message 742 of 1000 (728369)
05-27-2014 12:07 PM
Reply to: Message 729 by Faith
05-27-2014 8:10 AM


Re: King James I
Faith writes:
Except for his lamentable acceptance of torture as reasonable punishment in a few instances, King James lived a blameless life.
With a few lamentable exceptions, so did Charles Manson.

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ringo
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Message 757 of 1000 (728417)
05-28-2014 1:37 PM
Reply to: Message 756 by Faith
05-28-2014 1:30 PM


Faith writes:
The denizens of EvC are so consistently on the wrong side of every issue it's really astonishing.
Nobody thinks you're Napoleon but you. Astonishing!

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ringo
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Message 970 of 1000 (729055)
06-05-2014 2:18 PM
Reply to: Message 961 by Faith
06-05-2014 12:08 AM


Re: text types and spoiled wine
Faith writes:
It isn't hard to know the Mind of God, just believe the Bible.
quote:
The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose.
-- William Shakespeare, The Merchant of Venice
The Bible makes it harder to understand the mind of God - which is why Bible believers understand the mind of God less than most.

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ringo
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Message 984 of 1000 (729183)
06-06-2014 11:40 AM
Reply to: Message 971 by Faith
06-05-2014 2:55 PM


Re: text types and spoiled wine
Faith writes:
Thank you for expressing your opinion. You may sit down now.
Thank you for the predictably thoughtless response.

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ringo
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Message 986 of 1000 (729195)
06-06-2014 1:20 PM
Reply to: Message 982 by Faith
06-06-2014 8:03 AM


Re: text types and spoiled wine
Faith writes:
First, I don't count any church....
Maybe you shouldn't brag about your lack of counting skills.

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